I have no problem with drama but for two years we’ve been fed the idea that Christian and Olli don’t have eyes for anyone but each other. It makes no sense that Olli would just suddenly throw all that away to have an affair with Rob. Maybe if Rob was a proper character it might make sense. But who is Rob? Apart from being a dodgy party planner we don’t know anything about him. We don’t even know that he really is gay and neither does Olli. Olli fell in love with Christian after getting to know him, admiring what he did for his father and understanding what made him tick. He hasn’t had that connection with Rob and it doesn’t help that Rob thinks that Christian is some kind of hick farm boy.La Martina

Ach Christian … beim Ansehen deiner Videobotschaft wird man ganz traurig und möchte dich am liebsten in den Arm nehmen und feste knuddeln. Du hast ja so recht! Olli setzt in der Tat zur Zeit die falschen Prioritäten und der ewig baggernde Rob müsste von ihm deutlicher zurückgewiesen werden. Aber das macht ja grade die Dramaturgie eurer Geschichte aus – zoffen und wieder versöhnen …
Ich finde es immer wieder spannend und hoffe noch auf viele nette Geschichten mit euch.

greetings from mexico!!!!!

I’m a great fan of both of you and I’ve to say your performance in the soap opera is awesome. we can feel the happiness and sadness as real.

I hope this love story continue and have a super happy end (not as close)
…………………. I hope you marry with oli XD :):):):)…………………..

Rob **wenn ich den Namen schon höre** Olli sollte sich ne Event Managerin suchen, die macht das bestimmt noch besser und würde ihn auch in Ruhe lassen, wenn sie checkt, dass Olli einen Partner hat.
Es gibt echt nix schlimmeres als Menschen, die versuchen, eine glückliche Beziehung zu zerstören.
Olli sollte mal aufwachen und ein bisschen mehr auf Christian hören, was Rob betrifft. Früher konnten die beiden ja auch miteinander reden und Missverständnisse aus der Welt räumen. Rob ist doch voll Banane. Der passt überhaupt nicht zu Olli.
Klar kann ich Olli verstehen, dass er das No Limits vorantreiben will mit diesen Event Partys, aber er sollte Christian mehr vertrauen und vor allem glauben, was sein Partner, mit dem er seit über 2 Jahren zusammen ist, sagt.

In dem Sinne, Christian, wir stehen hinter Dir und wenn Du Hilfe brauchst… meld Dich )

ich liebe dich ich hoffe das mit olli wird alles ihn ortnung geht

Christian Du Hasst Voll Recht Ich Hasse Robert auch aber Olli Will Einfach nicht zuhören z.B bei heutege folge hat er gedacht das du die polizei angerufen hast aber das wahr robert ich hasse ihn einfach er will euch ausseinander bringen aber schafft er nicht weil wir hinter euch sind ihr seid die geschaffene paar ich liebe euch. :D:D:D

uuuäääähhh you are not aloneeee!!!!!!!!!!!!! <:(
Olli loves JUST you!

Hy Christian du klar es ist nicht so doll wenn ein der Freund vernachlässigt. Aber ich denke das olli auch nur das beste fürs no Limits will .Manchmal kann mann da schon mal vergessen das es auch noch nen Partner gibt der einen liebt .Verzeih es ihm und versuche mal darüber nachzudenken ob er vieleicht gerade deine hilfe am nödigstem braucht .Rob is nur ein vorwand denke ich damit du dich iun deiner Beziehung auf irgendetwas schmeissen kannst.Christian du liebst olli und olli liebt dich eiversucht is da immer fehl am pklatz .Liebe blüht wenn mann sie frei sein lässt alles andere bringt nichts ,verdrau ihm und es wierd alles wieder gut lieben gruss Stephan 6576

First
Your hair color very wonderful
Secondly, You are a wonderful actor
III .. Always follow up to you, O Creator
Greetings to you
Afnan

This is what I think is happening – the guys are not waiters anymore- they are not on honeymoon – the writers are following a logical growth pattern of a relationship and so are the actors. Lifes expectations are good and bad. You are not as healthy as you thought etc. Are they pulling away from each other or is it just not as intense? The question is how strong is the bond between them – what will it take to break them up? I hope we see lots of problems because that is the drama and these characters can take all that the writers have to keep us watching. Hey Christian could be put back in jail – Ollie could be put in jail for illegal drug sales. All hell could break loose with No Limits and the parties. Ollie could need rehab, Christian could fall from a horse. These guys work so well together it is so entertaining and they are so good -they can pull this off week after week and keep making us happy. You can not say that about many shows on TV.

@liv “You can see the marked change happening between them from late October, this is when Christian starts to physically withdraw from Olli.”

I understand the feeling that you’re getting but I don’t think that we can attribute this to the last two months or say that it’s necessarily something that Thore is doing. I went back and watched nanna’s clips from late october onward. I think that reaction is coming from a couple of places. These eps take place right after Gregor’s hospitalization, and the acting between Jo and Thore was really amazing then, when we get to see how Christian depends on Olli and the affection that they have for eachother. Immediately after these episodes However, starts the arc for Gregor’s wedding, andi’s return and Rebecca’s shoplifting problem. In truth, from late october until late december, the boys were hardly together, Olli was stuck behind the bar, and Christian was running interference between Rebecca and her siblings, so there isn’t even that much interaction between the two to observe during those months. Chrolli gets primacy again starting in late december when Becky dashes her head against the rock and officially falls for Christian. So from late October to December there was a noticeable lack of interaction between the two, they were hardly together at all. But if you go back and take a look, there are a lot of very strong non-verbal and non -tactile methods they use to communicate regard. This lack of them being together, combined with the inundation of the Chribecca relationship (his defending her against the siblings, lovingly stroking her face when she fell on the rock, etc) makes us feel the lack of interaction between christian and Olli even more. By the time we do see Christian and Olli back together, we’re so Rebecca’d out, that we have high expectations for their interaction because we’ve been so deprived of it. So the writers threw us a little acknowledgement here and there with the spa thing etc, but the fact remains that following on the heels of the Rebecca/Christian friendship arc is the Christian/Olli relationship stress arc, and with that, comes an understandable lack of affection from Christian to Olli, because he’s either in mad or jealous mode all the time now.
I think what you’re railing against is directionality, as In Olli initiates tactile intimacy and Christian always reacts, though that was a bit reversed last summer, perhaps its because last summer was the anomoly and this is the norm, though we dislike it.
In truth, i really don’t think Thore is doing anything dramatically different from what he’s done before, I think that Chrolli fans are just dying to see the dynamic we saw during the summer because we’re so sick of Rolli or Chribecca or them playing second fiddle to everyone else overall, so our expectations have ballooned out of proportion when we finally do get Chrolli on screen together.
The most important thing that I want to impress however, is that I think it is a bit disrespectful to speculate on Thore’s relative comfort of discomfort. He is a professional, first and foremost, and I just feel it’s petty to question his commitment to his craft and to the role. And once again it’s unfair to lay the burden of any perceived discomfort solely at his feet. There is an entire production team on hand to bring the stories to life and we should think to ourselves how much is attributable to the actors, how much of it is due to writing, how much of it is due to other extraneous outside forces.

OK, that being said, I have noticed in the last few Facebook Blog promos that Thore has seemed – to me – a little sad. This I remember starting in the blog promo from the 30th of October when he joked about Chrolli breaking up. I’m engaging in wild speculation, but I wonder if when he “joked” about that, he was actually giving a real spoiler about the future of Chrolli? To Me the last few vlogs – with the exception of this one – have been a bit lackluster on both sides and I have to speculate to myself. If a Chrolli break-up is on the horizon (and god i hope it isn’t) then perhaps that is something that would upset Jo and Thore and that disappointment at not being able to work closely together translates to these vlogs which – I’m speculating – are less closely monitored than the episodes in the show. Let’s say for the sake of argument that you’re right and Thore is pulling away/ not affectionate (though again, i would say that the directors make those choices) why does it have to be attributable to his discomfort with the subject matter? Maybe it’s cause he’s sad about the story possibly coming to a close…

I have no problem with drama but for two years we’ve been fed the idea that Christian and Olli don’t have eyes for anyone but each other. It makes no sense that Olli would just suddenly throw all that away to have an affair with Rob. Maybe if Rob was a proper character it might make sense. But who is Rob? Apart from being a dodgy party planner we don’t know anything about him. We don’t even know that he really is gay and neither does Olli. Olli fell in love with Christian after getting to know him, admiring what he did for his father and understanding what made him tick. He hasn’t had that connection with Rob and it doesn’t help that Rob thinks that Christian is some kind of hick farm boy.

Christian has every right to be worried about Rob, he’s clearly after Olli. I just wish that Olli knew that Rebecca was also after Christian. Why can’t these people leave Chrolli alone?

I don’t believe that Olli will leave Christian for Rob but Rob is going
to cause problems for them, so will Rebecca. I don’t know how Christian
will act when he finds out that she loves him. I hope it won’t make any difference
to the way that he feels about Olli.

I want Christian and Olli to stay together but it is good to finally get some drama
after months of nothing.

Chrolli forever and love to Jo and Thore for their great acting!!

I hate to see Christian look so unhappy. I hope Olli realises this and stops being
so caught up with Rob all the time. Christian is the love of Olli’s life and Rob is
just bad news.

It’s sad that Christian doesn’t have anyone to talk to. Gregor needs to stop
being so obsessed with his princess and give his little brother some of his time.

Please, please, please Christian don’t give up on Olli. Just be honest and tell
him he needs to tell Rob to take a hike and that the two of you need a holiday
away from the stud farm and No Limits.

You can see just how much Christian love Olli and how afraid he is of losing him.
That’s the thing I love about this couple that they feel so much for each other.
What other gay sop couple has that? I hope they stay together for a long, long time
and that they eventually get married and perhaps have a family. That has never been
done on any soap that I’ve ever seen and I’d loved to see it done with Chrolli.

@ Anonym

What a bizarre statement to post on the Chrolli blog.

The fact you’d even waste time doing it speaks volumes.

I’m not surprised you chose not to use a proper name to
post under.

Ich finde Rebecca super und hoffe, dass sie irgendwann mal mit Christian zusammen kommt.
Sorry Leute, aber Christian und Olli gehen mal gaaar nicht.

LG

Rebecca is such a wet blanket no one deserves to be lumbered with her
not even Ansgar and definitely not Christian.

@songbird. I’m glad someone else thinks that Lydia/Sebastian and Andi/Helena are dull.
I used to like the Lydia character when she lived in the flatshare with Chrolli and I liked
Andi when he just got back and hung up with Chrolli. Now whenever Lydia/ Sebastian or Andi/Helena scenes come up I just fast forward through them. It shows that Chrolli
just makes everything so much better and without them there’s no point in watching
the show.

Writers why would you even think about breaking up the best couple on the show?

If you must break someone up why not make it be Lydia and Sebastian the dullest soap
soap couple ever? Or how about Andi and Helena they haven’t been together long but
watching them is like watching paint dry. Even the actors themselves look bored.

Jo and Thore have real chemistry which is why Olli and Christian have all these fans who
have hung around even though they haven’t had have a storyline in ages.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad they finally have more to do than just stand around in the background but I don’t see why thy should mean they break up and that Olli should go off with Rob and Christian with Rebecca. Whatever happens in this storyline, Chrolli has to be the endgame.

Christian,
just remember that Olli really does love you. Olli just needs
to feel that he is more than just a bar manager and he thinks that Rob is
the only one who can help him to do that.
Rob knows that and he is going to use Olli’s need to be a success to try and
break you up and possibly get Olli involved in something criminal.
You need to put your feelings aside and make sure that you have Olli’s back
the same way that he had yours when you were trying to establish yourself as
a boxer and when you discovered that you had heart problems.
So don’t give up on Olli now or ever. You’re meant to be together. You know it
and so does Olli. At the end of the day that’s all that matters.

@Boo LOL Yeah Rebecca and Ansgar!!

They’re related so that’s totally forbidden love!!

Sarah, you are partly right about this all leading up to a Chrolli break up but there are two storylines playing out here – Christian/Olli/Rob and Christian/Rebecca/David.

Yes, it seems that the writers are building to something with Rebecca and and Christian but the same could be said of Rebecca and David.

There are also clear parellels to be drawn between Chribecca and Dabecca. Christian has no idea Rebecca is in love with him and she has no idea that David is in love with her. Rebecca has been giving Christian advice about Olli and David has been helping Rebecca cope with her infatuation with Christian and encouraging her to start designing again. Most importantly, the writers have made sure David is always on hand to bring Rebecca back to reality whenever she daydreams/fantasies about Christian.

If David hadn’t been added to the Christian/Rebecca story I would probably think like you that Chribecca was a dead cert. But if this really was going to be all about Chribecca why add David to the mix and why make his and Rebecca a slow burn friendship/relationship? It could have been rushed like the Olli and Rob relationship making it clear to all that it won’t lead to anything meaningful and permanent.

What will probably happen is that Olli’s involvement with Rob will lead to a Chrolli break up. Olli will find himself in trouble as a result and Christian will be on hand to bail Olli out and they’ll find their way back to each other.

Also the next big forbidden pairing is likely to be Nico and a certain someone who is joining the cast not Chribecca and Debecca.

@Sarah-

Where ur coming from is understandable, but we must refuse to believe all that if we want our Chrolli to live on!!!!!!!

And what you don’t know, i’m assuming, is that a new dream straight couple is going to be introduced after Grelu leaves!! (NOT CHRIBECCA). An old character is going to return and she and her lucky guy will be the new Grelu

Unfortunately…i think @sarah is right snifff

The idea of Rebecca suddenly being everyone’s hero makes me howl with laughter.

This is a girl who can’t even hold down a full time job but is suddenly able to find
a turntable when no one else can, decorate a club in a matter of hours, help Luise
sell an ugly painting for well over the market value and save Waldenstyck,help Olli
come up with party ideas to impress Rob, help Christian persuade Justus to have
a stable party, regularly dole out words of relationship wisdom to Helena and Chrolli,
help Frau Linse with the cooking and at some point will probably turn Christian straight.

I keep expecting her to duck into a phone booth and run out wearing tights and a cape because only a superwoman could figure in almost every storyline and come off as the
hero.

I get it that the writers and producers think she is golden girl but this is getting stupid.

If the writers love Rebecca so much why not have her fall in love with the star of the show Ansgar? Then if Tanya comes out of the coma they could both fight over Ansgar. That would be much more high profile for Miss Soap than putting her with Christian.

@Josie You’re right. VL is all about the castle. But no one up there has the fans that Chrolli has.

Even without a storyline we’re still watching them and wanting them to stay together.

The writers might break them up and put Christian with Rebecca but we will still want Christian and Olli to be together.

Thore you were great in this blog and you are great with Jo. Make the writers keep you together!!

The whole point of introducing Rob to the storyline has nothing
to do with creating a story for Olli, it’s just a means to an end.

It’s all about breaking Christian and Olli up.

They haven’t spent all this time and effort building the Christian and Rebecca
storyline for there not to be a pay off at the end.

It doesn’t matter that the fans loathe and detest the pairing and that they thinks it’s creepy that Christian would want to be with Rebecca after she’s had a sexual relationship with his brother…….but worst of all is the whole cliche of turning him straight again…….but then who cares what the fans think.

Think about it……Rob meets Olli, Christian is immediately jealous,
Christian and Olli fight, Olli will become the “bad guy” by cheating on Christian,
they split and who will be waiting to comfort Christian???

It’s all very fast and quick in order to bring the Christian and Rebecca storyline
to a conclusion……funny how it just happens to coincide perfectly with Gregor and Luise leaving, thus Christian and Rebecca become the new “dream couple”

After all you can’t have a hot “GAY” couple with amazing chemistry be happy and in a lasting relationship over a groundbreaking cute “straight” couple!!!!

If these “writers” break chrolli up, they got another thing comin.

Are they really thinking about breaking up our beloved gay couple just so they can make YETTTTTTTTTTTT ANOTHER straight couple all perfect and “normal”???????????

I really, really, really, really hope not. Because that’s DISGUSTING.

Chrolli’s love is being underestimated by these writers, i really dont think they understand just how powerful their love is, and just how much they’ve touched all of our hearts.

PLEASE writers. If you’re thinking about breaking up Chrolli, THINK AGAIN and FORGET IT.

Christian,

After watching the last episode I must say that it surprises me that you’re handling this situation so immaturely. It’s one thing if Olli is so blinded by his ambition that he can’t see what a sleaze Rob is. But you, you who can see the wolf for what he truly is just sits back and watches as he sizes up and prepares to “devour” your boyfriend, and all you do is storm off sulking. And when you’re not sulking you’re jabbing and needling Olli with off-handed remarks to add fuel to the fire. How exactly is that helping the situation? There’s a saying: “when you know better you do better.” So how does the fact that you have all this insight yet do nothing about it make you any better than Olli? To make matters worse, rather than sit down and talk to Olli like a rational human being you confide your deepest fears to Rebecca. Where has the communication gone in Chrolli’s relationship?

Chrolli please stay together!!!

I believe that Oli and Chris will make up. Don’t be overreacting. Cause even the closest relationship would happen some disorder, such as teeth and tone will bite in sometime.

I hope you guys better with love.

Thore; Who ever was responsible for your hairstyle and wardrobe in the No Limits scene when you find Olli being given a hug by Rob, deserves recognition. The parting of your hair from left to right gives you a very good mature look to go with the ‘Pensive Pissed-Off Look’ you have after seeing Rob. The coat and scarf were a perfect match. You are now starting to give Olli a ‘Run for the Money’ as we say back here. Keep the hairstyle!

der Geflügelhändler, Illinois, USA

I agree with some of the other posters: there is too much Rebecca lately. I think that Rob is somehow more tolerable for the fans because he is clearly a bad guy, he will cause some troubles for the boys and then he will probably disappear forever.

Rebecca, on the other hand, is becoming the hero of this story. She keeps saving the day for Chrolli and every day she’s more close to Christian so she is perceived by the fans as the REAL threat.
The writers are making Chrolli fight as never before and lately there’re also this growing connection between Olli and Rob, so it’s no wonder that there is so much concern among the fans.

Anyway I still have faith in this show and in Chrolli’s future. I still believe that the writers are just creating some drama and that in the end Christian and Olli’s love will prevail. Let’s hope they won’t let us down

[B]VL – oder wie eine Frisierpuppe das Sprechen lernte[/B]

Was ist das für ein neues Konzept von Ossendorf, dass man eine überflüssige und dämliche Rolle wie „Rebecca von Lahnstein“ seit einiger Zeit wirklich in jedem Handlungsstrang ertragen muss? Ich weiß schon gar nicht mehr, wo ich noch hinspulen soll. Ausgelobtes Wochenziel scheint es bei VL ja wohl zu sein, dass das Pony mindestens einmal jeden Set bespielt hat. Von diversen Außendrehs ganz zu schweigen, bei denen sie sich als wirklich brüllend komische Slapstick-Einlage *nerv* über Baumstämme schmeißen darf, im Stall Amok läuft, durch Boutiquen stolpert, in Spucknäpfe und Bettpfannen tritt und auch sonst kein überstrapaziertes peinliches Element schlechter Sketch-Unterhaltung auslässt. Es fehlt eigentlich nur noch eine 5-minütige Szene, in der sie mal bei Leonhard in Boston durchklingelt und fragt ob mit Adrian in Shanghai alles in Ordnung ist. Oder hab ich das beim Durchspulen schon verpasst?
Zum Niveau der Serie trägt es jedenfalls nicht bei, so einen ausdruckslosen Schminktopf auf zwei Beinen gewaltsam in jeden Handlungsstrang zu pressen, damit sie mit ihren saudoofen Kommentaren zur Lage der Nation die Leute belästigen kann. Und das alles – um den Zuschauer vollends zu nerven – auch noch vorgetragen mit den nun wahrlich streng limitierten Schauspielfähigkeiten einer zur Gänze überforderten J. Lord. Auch in ihrem Sinne sollte man sich bei VL wieder darauf besinnen RvL wieder ausschließlich in ihrer Paraderolle als stille Requisite „dritter Stuhlwärmer von links“ an die Lahnstein’sche Frühstückrunde zu setzen und damit ein bisschen das Bild aufzufüllen.
Eine Soap steht und fällt wie jede Serie und jeder Film nicht zuletzt auch mit den Darstellern. Und die Nerven der Fans mit einer unterirdisch unbeliebten Rolle und einer untalentierten Darstellerin übermäßig zu strapazieren, weil es einfach keinen Handlungsstrang mehr gibt, in dem man vor dieser Person seine Ruhe hat, ist wohl nicht die beste Idee. Die schwankenden Zuschauerzahlen von 1.8 bis hoch zu 2.4 Mio. zeigen jedenfalls, dass es offenbar eine Menge VL-Fans gibt, die nicht bereit sind, sich auf Gedeih und Verderb jeden Müll anzugucken, der einem vorgesetzt wird.

Trotzdem mal ein kleiner Hinweis für Frau Feiler zum Nachdenken: Nicht JEDE Diskussion über eine Rolle zeigt ausnahmslos, dass sie in ihrem Job alles richtig gemacht hat. Und es ist auch kein Kompliment für Frau Lord, dass über sie zurzeit eifrig diskutiert wird und ganz sicher auch kein Beleg dafür, dass sie als Schauspielerin alles richtig gemacht hat. Es ist vielmehr ein Beleg dafür, dass sie in der Darstellung der RvL ein Totalausfall ist, es sei denn die Rolle ist per Drehbuch als eindimensionaler, hölzerner dummschwätzender Unsympath angelegt, der sich mit ganzen zwei Gesichtsausdrücken und einer einzigen Tonlage durchs Leben schlagen muss. Ich denke als Rolle ist RvL wohl eher als ungeschickter Tölpel angelegt, mit dem man bei dem ganzen Unglück, das ihr widerfährt Mitleid haben soll. Das kommt zumindest bei mir überhaupt nicht an.
Ich denke die momentane Diskussion sollte wohl eher als Weckruf verstanden werden, endlich mal wieder mehr Wert auf nachvollziehbare Charakterentwicklungen und sinnvolle Handlungsstränge zu legen, anstatt das Hauptaugenmerk offensichtlich darauf zu verschwenden, wie man jede gute Grundidee und jeden lieb gewonnenen Charakter für und wegen RvL am schnellsten zerkloppen kann. Aber jetzt ist es wohl eh zu spät. Das nächste halbe Jahr mit spannungs- und sinnfreien Geschichten rund um Ponys Kindergeburtstag auf dem Reiterhof steht wahrscheinlich schon und damit dürfte sich VL zur ernst zu nehmenden Konkurrenz für Benjamin Blümchen und Bibi Blocksberg mausern. Wenn das der Anspruch ist…

Für VL ist das jedenfalls nicht zuträglich und die Chrolli-Geschichte wird einem damit auch noch verdorben. Schade, nach der ganzen Wartrei!

Wouldn’t it be great if Rob and Rebecca got together?

He’s a boring party person and she’s a boring fashion person.
They could go off and be boring somewhere far away from Chrolli.

Reading all the comments I just can answered

“this show being a soap is no excuses for bad stories plot”

I can understand the fights, a love journey is not only made
of good parts, and we have two macho male with two careers
and they have to deal with how to organize their own personal
lives around those two career, and around their own goals

but turning this on a “who will cheat first” is just dump decision
and will turn the fans away from the show.

the gay communauty need positive exposures ! where we can
see that even with the fights and every day turmoils, all gay
couple don’t turn to cheating and having sex all around the
world !

I’m so disappointe with the show right now

Im from Mexico and nooo whyyy everybody says that horrible things about christian and olli break up, stop itt all you just scare me they’re “the couple” and every relationship has up and downs thats normal but tha doesnt mens its the end

Thore you are the hottes guy ever!!!

I find it kind of bizarre that “fans” would attribute Christian’s supposed pulling away from Olli during kisses to Thore’s personal life or his own sudden trepidation to kissing Jo. He is an ACTOR, that is what ACTORS are paid to do-to be characters in a TV show. Scenes are rehearsed, directed, and PERFORMED. When actors don’t get it right, the director yells “CUT!” and they do it over and over it again until the director thinks it’s right. If you’ve ever had the chance to work on a movie/TV set you would know how many times a scene is shot over and over again. In a soap opera on a tight shooting schedule you wouldn’t get as many takes (well, US ones anyways), which means all the more pressure on actors to nail it right the first time. In many interviews both actors discuss how much they rehearse their scenes together to get the details right; to show the audience that the two are intimate, and not just good friends. It is quite a disservice to Thore as an actor to even speculate how his personal life is making him “pull away”. It is the decision of writers to write the story how they want the story told; it’s the director’s job to tell the actors how to perform and bring the story to life, and the actors to actually execute.

As the story progresses, we see how they are being set up for the tension in their relationship, and we will see how they will handle it. Their relationship cannot stay problem free forever in soapland, or in real life for that matter. Have you ever seen a real relationship not have problems? You have to work hard for it. Sometimes you work really hard and it doesn’t turn out for the best. Sometimes it does. But at least they have a storyline to get fans back on board, and have something to talk about. Fans had become bored and tuned out.

My true hope is that VL writers don’t, as other posters have voiced concerned about, tritely turn Christian straight at the drop of a dime. Christian is bi; as is Olli. They have both been attracted to, and been willingly intimate with women before. The only way Christian should be in a relationship with a woman again is if Olli and Christian were to say they could not make it work, and that Christian develops a relationship with a woman whom he would love as a person, not because he’s decided he’s straight again. Anything less would be a travesty for fans and the characters, who have invested so much in following Chrolli and the positive reflections of a relationship between two men. Don’t let it be meaningless, as it was on AWZ when Deniz and Roman broke up the first time. Although to be honest, even if things did end realistically and tastefully for Chrolli, I wouldn’t be all that interested in following VL at all except once in a while gaze lustfully at beautiful Thore.

Christian ————- ———- ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡sin miedo!!!!!! ; habla con Olli y aclara las cosas y si Rob se sigue pasando pues defiende tu amor al hombre de tu vida – creo que varios queremos que le partas la cara al presumido de Rob ———- y Christian apoya a Olli y trata de acercarte; recuerda que dar y recibir perdon hace que las parejas perduren en el tiempo.

un beso desde Cartagena -Colombia

Just a couple comments about the other posts here.

It’s not surprising that Verbotene Liebe writers injected some drama into the storyline. That’s soap opera. It’s not surprising that Rob is just a nasty character. That’s the villain in the story. Without an antagonist, the hero can’t do much. In this case, it is the contrast between the dark selfishness of Rob and the light of Christian’s love for Olli that will do battle and give us drama and give the actors the opportunities to show their range of emotions.

It is always hoped that light will triumph over darkness, but soap opera is not real life, so anything can happen.

The writers have a tough job, inventing new stories, making the plot interesting, not only for the audience, but also the actors, and also to show character development so that they are not always the same flat one dimensional fantasy. It would be nice if the audience can be a bit more supportive, and forgiving when they make a mistake.

I really like the new development in the Castle’s kitchen. Frau Linzel (?spelling) and Justus, and who is that maid, his niece? I hope David get more interesting lines than just sitting there looking cute when Christian kisses him. How about a love affair between Rebecca and David. Or maybe a love triangle with Rebecca, David, and Justus’s niece.

Who needs Rob when Herr Justus, Administrator Extraordinaire, can organize the event of the new decade, with flair and class (well, maybe pomp and ceremony).

Keep up the good work Leute.

Liebe Christian, I am glad to see you listening to Rebecca’s advice and tried to help Olli with an alternative location for the party. Please don’t worry that Rob changed his mind about it. In fact, it is not surprising. He only used it to drive a wedge between you and Olli. He probably knew the idea was stupid to start with. He just wanted to see how badly Olli wanted to be the Party King. Taking the bait, and then hundreds of unanswered phone calls prove to him that Olli is ripe for the plucking.

Please don’t be discouraged or angry. Now is the time to show Olli your love and understanding. Be firm, but embrace Olli while he is following his dream. He needs you to be there by his side to help him pick himself off the ground when he stumbles, when Rob inevitably dumps him. That’s the way these kind of people are. They use people up, and throw them away. Don’t let your emotions get the better of you. Ask your friends to help you keep Olli safe from Rob.

Thore, Jo, great acting and looking good!

Dieser Rob hat eindeutig das Kotzbrocken-Gen. Ich mag schon dem sein Erscheinungsbild nicht, ich weiß ja net, ob der Schauspieler auch so is, aber den Kotzbrocken-Typ verkörpert der ganz gut.
Der Mensch besteht doch aus einem Stück Arroganz von der bei jedem Satz, der aus dessen Mund kommt, einem das Gefühl gegeben wird ihn am liebsten in die Tonne kloppen zu wollen.
Herrje.
Also da find ich ja nicht mal Ansgar so schlimm. Der schleimt wenigstens net, dondern is gleich kalt wie Hundeschnauze. Aber der Typ – schleimig, arrogant, pseudo-cool, nicht ganz koscher und einfach brrrrrrrrrr.

Ich möchte nicht mit ihm befreundet sein, da brauchste keine Feinde mehr!

Hey, Susan, I have also noticed that for some time…..wondering if Thore, having played the gay guy for so long, is thinking about his career as an ‘all around’ actor before being stereotyped. Hope I’m wrong…just a thought

I don’t care what happens in between I just want Christian and Olli to end up together.

Thore you did a great job in the blog. Wonder if we’ll get Olli’s side of things in the next one?

What’s the point of making Rob a bad guy right from the word go? At some point Olli will get wise to the fact that he is being used and then Rob will history. So whatever romance develops between them won’t go anywhere. But Olli being involved with Rob will give Christian an excuse to dump him and then become involved with Rebecca. From where I’m standing it’s pretty obvious this isn’t a Chrolli storyline it’s all about Rebecca and whether she’ll manage to get Christian to fall in love with her. It’s no coincidence that she keeps popping up whenever Christian and Olli have problems even when it makes no sense to have her there. How believable is it that a fashion obsessed countess living in a castle would spend all her time in the kitchen?

When all is said and done VL is all about what happens up at the castle and everything else is just window dressing. Now that Gregor and Luise have enough money to buy back Waldenstyck there is a chance they may decide to live there permanently. If that happens, there’ll be less reason to even feature No Limits, especially if Christian and Olli are no longer together. Olli will be the funny guy behind the bar who hands out drinks and the odd bit of advice to whichever Lahnstein happens to drop in while Christian’s life will revolve around his new countess girlfriend and the Lahnstein horses.

It’s pretty sad way to end a pairing that was strong enough to attract an international audience. I’m not aware that any of the other characters, including Stella and Carla, have that big a following. But I guess in Germany it’s all about giving pretty girls who can’t act front burner storylines than taking the time to build on the popularity of Chrolli and give Jo and Thore the kind of storylines their talents and chemistry deserve.

Und so schnell schafft man es einen guten Eindruck komplett zu versauen.

Dann soll doch VL an seinem nervtötenden Pony-Pushing ersticken und die gesamte Serie gegen de Wand fahren.

Mit Chrolli hat man es ja schon fast geschafft, durch die Dauerpräsenz dieser untalentierten JL und dieser völlig behämmerten Rolle Rebecca!

Langsam glaube ich wirklich, dass da einer finanzielle nachhilft, damit Frau Lord ihr “preisgekröntes” Gesicht wirklich in jeder Folge bei VL in die Kamerea halten darf.

Das, werte Frau Feiler führt aber ganz sicher nicht zu einer größeren Zuschauerschaft und es führt auch nicht dazu, dass die Leute weiterhin gespannt zuschauen. Eine Rolle, die dem Zuschauer so gegen den Strich geht und trotzdem in dieser widerlichen Penetranz gepusht wird, wie die vom Pony führt zum Abschalten. Vielleicht denken Sie da mal drüber nach, anstatt dieser Person immer weiter Sendezeit einzuräumen. Dass das nicht zum Erfolg führt, hat man ja an den Quoten gesehen. 1,8 Mio!!!!

Glückwunsch!

Es gehört zu einer guten Geschichte eben mehr dazu, als dass man den Schmollmund und die Kuhaugen von Frau Lord in unerträglicher Art und Weise jede Folge dem Zsuchauer reinprügelt. Wie wäre es zum Beispiel, wenn man in einer Geschichte die Charaktere so lässt, wie sie sind und dazu die Geschichte erzählt, ansatt auf Biegen udn Brechen das Pony mit Christian zusammenzuschmeißen und dafür diesen wunderbaren Charakter gleich mit zu zerstören!!!!

Chrolli haben eine gute Geschichte verdient. Was sie aber bekommen ist der Sch… der dabei rauskommt, wenn man auf dem Rücken dieses Soap-Paares lieber Frau Lord pusht. Davon wird mir schlecht!

the chrolli story is changing, from fairytale …to reality show…
ı am not happy with that, but storyteller decided to break them up…
the other think,
in this relationship,christian’s straight backround is going to be a trouble for our couple,ı believe olliver can easly solve the problem”the rob problem”because he has no doubt of his love to christian. he knows he is belong to christian, he needs christian support at the beginning(not after chat with rebecca)
have a nice weekend for everyone…
viel spass!

Well! it´s true Rob love Olli, poor Christian, as Olli offer him the hand but not, Rob it embraces forehead(front) Christian – me encanta como Olli le ofrece la mano pero no, Rob lo abraza frente Christian, jahhh!!! se pone bueno Verbotene Liebe.
From Colombia with love.

Never mind Rebecca and Christian,I’m worried about Olli being with Rob much more.Nice hug Rob,not!After a few drinks and a lot of partying anything is possible.Rob must play around and he is definetly into Olli.Christian is going to get angry and distant.Can’t wait to see what happens.Chrolli is #1

I thought I was the only one who noticed that christian was pulling away in the love scenes with olli. I’ve noticed it for a while and I wonder why the sudden fliches. It could be that that Thore has a girlfriend now and finds it weird doing the love scenes all of a sudden. Either way we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. I don’t know where the storyline is heading now but something has definitely changed and we as fans have noticed it. We just want our old chrolli back, passionate, supportive, affectionate(without flinching) and just having fun with each other.
I am not happy with the writers either, for some reason they can’t seem to come up with a decent storyline for our boys and Jasmin. I hope nothing ever comes of the rebecca storyline because its not believable at all. Thore and Jasmin have no chemistry whatsoever. I think Jasmin is a good actress but has not been given the chance to prove herself because of the storyline. You can only do so much with a terrible story line. I just hope things improve.

Thanks thore I enjoyed this blog and you look really good.

After today episode I think Rob’s interest isn’t limited to business, Olli should beware.

It hurts me so much seeing my dream couple being so apart from each other like never before.
It’s so unfair, everybody knows that they belong together. I would never forgive Rebecca or Rob if they would come between Christian and Oliver!

Meine christian wann dragst du mit olli wieder . ich mag auch ein der ist sehr süß der hat eine freudin . der ist gut ausend bei dem habe keine sonse nicht.

I hate seeing them arguing all the time even in today episode when Christian was trying to make up he ended storming off for another misunderstanding.

All these fights are so silly, they’re both just too proud to make the first move but I hope that they’ll soon realize that their love is all that matters in the end

This is so unfair. We wanted a Chrolli storyline for such a long time and when we do get one it’s all about completely changing their characters and then breaking them up. I can see why Olli needs a new challenge, who could be happy polishing glasses behind a bar all day? But to have thirty something Olli suddenly pulling all nighters, obsessed with organising ‘groovy’ rave parties, being attracted to ‘call me Rob’ who he knows next to nothing about and careless about spending time with Christian just makes him seem shallow and gullible. Exactly the way that Olivia used to be.

Look how supportive and understanding the old Olli was about Christian’s confusion about coming out, his university application, his boxing career, his heart problems and eventual career change. The new Olli left Christian to soak to in tub for hours instead of popping back to explain that the bar was busy, couldn’t be bothered to stay awake long enough to watch Christian’s dressage exam and got upset because Christian refused to accept that throwing a rave at his workplace near to expensive and sensitive horses was anything other than a very bad idea.

Then there’s Christian. Completely supportive when Olli wanted to buy into No Limits, helping out with the renovations and bawling Gregor out for leaving Olli to do all the hard work but who now suddenly has a problem with Olli wanting No Limits to be more than just a bar. He throws a tantrum every time Olli has to work late and suddenly hates parties. Didn’t he and Olli go partying all night on at least two separate occasions? And don’t forget his fixation with Rebecca. If Christian needed female friends to confide in wouldn’t he be more likely to choose Lydia or his own cousin Stella, both of whom live in the castle? Why would he think that Rebecca could give him anything approaching good advice when she’s made such a mess of almost every aspect of her own life?

Maybe the changes to character might have made sense if the writers had given us better reasons for it and then gradually built up to whatever conflicts. But it’s as if they went to bed happy and both woke up miserable. It’s the reason I just can’t get excited about this storyline because it just seems forced. It’s not about developing their characters or exploring their relationship. it’s just an excuse to have them shout at each other, sleep with other people, break up and for Rebecca to finally get her man. I know other posters have been complaining that we should be grateful they’re finally getting a front burner storyline I’m amazed that they think we should be willing to settle for this.

ich finde es total cool mal so in dein verletzliches weiches inneres zu sehen, weil man dich ja selten mal so fertig sieht und du meist ja eher den taffen spielst.

und du hast absolut recht! olli ist leider so sehr auf sein ding versessen, dass er garnicht merkt, was für ein arroganter und hinterhältiger ’schnösel’ ‘mr. call me rob’ ist!

ich wünsch euch alles gute!

Wie schön! Was für ein schöner Blog! Super gespielt, wirklich ergreifend.
Und Thore ist supersüß so niedergeschlagen. Ich hätt ihn knutschen können!

he leute,
denkt positv… Die Sendung ohne die zwei , geht gar nicht.
Die Serie steht oder fällt mit ihnen.
Die zwei sind die besten Schauspieler der Serie “Verbotene Liebe”.. Das wissen die vom ARD schon..

He people
thinks positiv..The Serie without the two does not go all.The Series stand or fall with them.The two are those the best Actors .Already know the ARD…

Grüsse and Greetings
fritz

sorry my bad my cooment was to Liv not Levi

all my love to Chrolli
but wow Levi u hit it right on the nose I’ve been noticing the same thing of late
at first I was telling myself ,no I was imagining things
but as it went on,I was a bit desapointed
I’m still hanging here hoping that changes
well….
one can only hope

I’m happy to see Christian & Olli have a storyline where the have some drama between them.If they were happy all the time Jo & Thore might get bored after awhile even though people love to see Chrolli in love and having a not a care in the world.I love the other characters but it is so nice they aren’t just worrying about Gregor & Andi & Rebecca’s situations.

@micmac
04.02.2010 16:03

Heh, sorry, that (repeat posting) was my internet’s fault, for not loading the page properly. Thus, not seeing my original post, and reposting again by trying another vblog entry.

Tschuss with an u,

ChrolliFan

Well I hate the idea of Chrolli breaking up. They’ve been a great couple even when they didn’t have a storyline. I can’t stand the idea of Christian being interested in Rebecca I just don’t see how that could be better than Christian being with Olli. I’m also hate the idea that Rebecca is somehow able to turn Christian straight. I worry that once the writers make Christian straight again that will be it for his relationship with Olli. Rebecca needs a love interest and Christian is hot and popular and after a while no one will ever remember that he used to be gay. I’m not gay but I’m sure that many gay fans will be frustrated and probably offended by this. I know that I am.

I agree with Meerkat totally. The boys have really done a wonderful job of teaching the world about the nonstereotypical side of being gay. Used to be movies depicted being gay as something to commit suicide over (”Ode to Billy Joe”), or something that occurred because of some personal trauma (like prison rape or some other unfortunate circumstance). Then of course, came the shows with the silly, flaming, odd ball gay neighbour…ok, so it could be funny, but it didn’t always imitate real life.

The refreshing thing about the “Chrolli” characters is that they are two normal human beings, living average, everyday normal lives, and they just happen to be gay.

These two amazing actors have done so much more in such little time than they, themselves, can probably even imagine.

Thanks for the incredible blog, Thore. You and Jo cannot be thanked too much!

Also: I LOVE the spoilers. I hope that Thore is given good material, but I think the introduction of Rob finally gives us an interesting plot that allows VL to explore the characters.

Thanks for daring to give Olli and Christian a plot! The fear I had was that we would get a stale “Christian goes straight” plot that seemed contrived. Also, I have been concerned for Jasmine because Rebecca had been made into such a moronic, weak character (not to mention boring) that no actress could play her well. (So poor Jasmine has gotten so much criticism when I think that the writers should perhaps take the blame here, and use their manifold talents for the better.)

Anyway, I love the show. I love the spoilers. And Thore, because you are the star of this Vlog, please know that I love all that you give to this community, to VL, to the gay community (as a straight man) and to the community of those who love good acting. I won’t even mention those who love good horsemanship. You shine!

With love,

Kes

Halli, hallo christian,

ich kann dich verstehen, deine zweifel und ängste…ABER

nur schade da ihr euch in letzter zeit immer wieder zoft…

was ist los mit euch, ihr so viel durchgemacht in den letzten zwei
jahren. hockt euch zusammen und klärt es endlich was zwischen euch
steht. Eine Beziehung heißt doch auf den anderen eingehen und nicht
auf dem ego-tripp sein.

ich finde ihr solltet beide etwas tun…

Du versucht olli zu verstehen, seinen Drang sich zu verwirklichen
und
Olli muss versuchen dich zu verstehen, dass du gerade in deiner
Ausbildung bist, aber dir den streß aufnimmst und immer
wieder zeit nimmst für EUCH…(was übrigens Olli lange nicht mehr von sich
aus gemacht hat)

Ach man ihr zwei rauft euch zusammen und es läuten die Hochzeitglocken…

DAS WÄRE SCHÖN…ihr seit ein traumpaar…
aber das geht nur, wenn ihr wieder lernt auf den anderen zuzugehen und zu
verstehen…

also Tschö mit ö

(PS: Jo und Thore ihr seid richtig tolle Schauspieler, ihr spielt die Geschichten
um das Traumpaar Olli und Christian richtig autentisch und gebt mir mut
meinen Traummann zu finden…irgendwo ist er, nur wo)

never2late: The best ever photos of Thore in black and white are wonderfully shown on *** , “Thore Schölermann and Jo Weil.” Thanks brayan40, you have excellent taste and Thore, you are James Dean personified!

der Geflügelhändler, Illinois, USA

I know some of us, me included, are a little worried about the last spoilers but as Matilda said, this is a soap, it’s impossible for a couple to be always happy even for a couple who loves each other so much like Oliver and Christian.
So personally I decide to be positive and following this new storyline with the hope in the end everything is gonna be allright for our favourite couple.

Thore you’ve been brilliant in the last entry of the vlog, it was really clear from your interpretation how Christian is heartbroken about the arguments with Olli, keep doing such wonderful job, we love you!

@thunderkat

I understand what you’re saying but I have to disagree.

It’s not just the two specific instances you’re talking but about the OVERALL
shift in the dynamic between Christian and Olli.

The episodes from summer 09 is when the chemistry
between them was the best it has ever been and that’s because BOTH of them show affection to each other.

You can see the marked change happening between them from late October, this is when Christian starts to physically withdraw from Olli.

The reason many fans think that Thore has a problem and not the character of Christian is because in the storyline Christian is still supposedly in love with Olli
and oblivious to Rebecca’s feelings.

So it doesn’t make sense for the last few months for Christian to jerk his head back and turn his face to the side, like he’s trying to avoid all physical contact when Olli leans in to touch him. It’s especially noticeable when they kiss, it’s a wonder Thore doesn’t have a kink in his neck the way he pulls away so quickly from Jo.

I and many other fans are finding it difficult to watch as the one thing that has always made Christian and Olli so special is the ability of Thore and Jo to make us believe that C & O are passionately in love with each other.

But now Thore’s body language is sending the message that he’s reluctant and uncomfortable and that has a big effect on how Christian’s relationship with Olli is perceived by the audience.

Christian & Olli Forever!!!!!!! ¿problems, troubles? yes the real life ………… but the real love is strong ………………..

i really hope in the future a breakheart ——— cry —— pain ——- apologises —— and after all a big and hapinness marriage

CHROLLI = Mr SabelMann & Mr SabelMann

Chrollifan we got it that you think we’re juvenile. You don’t need to keep reposting.

i’m happy to see the new storyline. you did a great job thore & jo and i’m looking forward to watching the storyline in the next weeks and month.
i don’t like rob because i think he isn’t doing the relationship of christian and olli anythig well. i just read the preview of episode 3578, and it says that rob is going to kiss olli or olli is going to kiss rob. whatever. i hope they will make up again.
but read it yourself:

***

I’m really happy that we finally get a new storyline. Of course I would be happier without Rebecca’s involvement but the main thing is that Thore and Jo now have some new material to work with.

I’m a little worried about the possible Chritian/Rebecca thing but this is a soap and it’s normal to have ups and downs in a relationship.

I’m hopeful that in the end Christian and Olli will find their way back to each other, because their love is too strong

First off, I want to give a hearty net applause to Thore for his touching performance with this vblog submission. It was subtle yet held all the emotions that he wanted the character, Christian, to portray.

Thore seems to really delve into the wide range of acting challenges – and he seems like he has a lot of fun when he does comedy (especially, physical comedy….his facial expressions are hilarious!). So it was refreshing, once again, to see the opposite end of the spectrum; the emotional depth of the character he portrays, with such subtlety. I think this is what really hooked me on to Chrolli; it was the honesty with which the two characters were portrayed by Jo and Thore. It became a story about Chrolli, two *people* and their unique love story as they navigate life (gender be damned). Kudos!

Nuances in hesitation from the actors, however subtle, can and do get picked up by the viewers, especially those sensitive to the fact that it is a “gay” storyline, and the bias that maybe the actors won’t give it the same respect and honesty in portrayal as they would if they had the run-of-the-mill, common “straight” storyline. The hesitation in the little touches, where they *do* not touch, but, *do* so in a female counterpart, the self-conscious tightening of the body in an embrace, etc. Well, at least, this viewer notices when I come across all the “gay storylines” from various TV shows and movies. And, it makes me lose a bit of respect for the actors…because the very skill of theirs they’re displaying…….ACTING……gets trumped by their own personal hesitation and awkwardness, or, thinking of their acting partner’s hesitation so not giving it their all, themselves.

It’s sad that it’s still about the gay/straight divide, but, such is still a reality. Look at Nanna’s channel on Youtube and the ridiculous flagging of some of the videos as “inappropriate” because it had two MEN kissing, while “straight storylines” and pop music videos have more blatant sexuality and simulated sex and are not flagged. Idiots! Makes me want to root for such great storylines even more (like Chrolli), to kind of throw it in those ignorant people’s faces.

And, I commend Thore for making steady progress as he immerses more and more in Christian and portraying that character honestly…such as his deep love and affection for his partner, Olli (he has really blossomed into his role of Christian, through the story of Chrolli).

(I have many accolades for Jo Weil too, but, since this is a Christian vblog, I focused on Thore)
***
On to the storyline:

I don’t really understand the emotional (in my opinion, juvenile) reactions from some of the Chrolli fans with the introduction of Rebecca and Rob. These are probably the same fans who complain that their “boys” are not being given meaty storylines, are in the background too much, and, are the first to bring out their pitchforks when a conflict (injection of story/drama) is introduced to the storyline. And, given that it’s a SOAP OPERA, one of the hallmarks of conflict is relationship drama. So, yeah, don’t really understand that.

I think the main challenge would be to create the conflict, setting up the tension between Olli and Christian through the two foils, Rob and Rebecca. Christian sees Ollie getting more and more immersed into his “dream” of being a great party planner, and thus, getting attached to the hopes that Rob induces, where, Rebecca “conveniently” is there to be Christian’s shoulder to cry on. And, each character, Olli and Christian feels that the other is rejecting them because they’re not turning to them, but rather an outsider (Rebecca/Rob). And, hopefully, in time, the characters battle through this drama and come out stronger, and more together, in the end.

The writers are going up against Christian and Olli whose history consists of coming out of the closet, standing up proudly for their partner, in the face of a career downfall, being patient with the hesitancies of a partner’s acceptance of self, conquering each other’s (and families) health issues, supporting each others’ dreams, “I couldn’t let you drown like this.”

Thus, the challenging part of it is finding a good balance in projecting this conflict while not selling the characters short. The viewers have to believe the transition of the characters’ psyches rather than be manipulated into false sympathy for, say, Christian, because Ollie is suddenly pulling a Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde, by becoming a selfish and self-absorbed character. If Olli’s character is continued to be portrayed as such a stark contrast to who the viewers have understood the essence of the character to be, it will seem (and, in my opinion, rightly so), as a superficial plot device to gain sympathy for Christian as he and Rebecca become more immersed in each other’s realities. Don’t sell out Olli to justify Christian.

The most blatant reaction I had to this was when the character Olli bursts out that he doesn’t really care about the horses, it’s only for a night, and that the party is the *only* important thing. Olli has never been so short-sighted. Even if we’re to believe that his dreams are making him act so, it’s a hard sell because Olli is still Olli, underneath it all….whatever dreams he’s currently fulfilling. (this new change in Olli reminds me of the superficial plot of Olli going to Ibiza…because Jo had other commitments….and how short-sighted Olli was initially about Christian’s exams…but, Olli eventually, and quickly, came around…it was so…out of character and flimsy)

I think the key would be to keep the turmoil of both the characters’ at the forefront, as they, in a way, unwillingly gets pushed into the arms of Rob/Rebecca, because they’re like trains missing each other in the communication track. Which just builds and builds the misunderstandings (each seeing the other’s faults, but blinded to their own faults, due to the jealousies, the insecurities, all of that good ol’ angsty stuff), so that the “evil foils” can move in for their kills (Rob/Rebecca). And, after dragging this angst on for a while, the characters can have an epic reunion back to each other.

Just give these actors some stimulating storyline, rather than keeping them on the sidelines because they’re so *perfect* that any meaty conflict is beneath them. Give us back the excitement of Chrolli, we felt when they first were getting together. And if that means, separating them for a while, with angst-filled reunion back to each other….go for it!

Just my very long 2 cents to the continuing saga of Chrolli, and I hope I get to keep enjoying this pairing for a while, conflicts and drama, and all.

PS – thanks DasErste for giving us this Chrolli vblog, to keep our addiction fed, even longer.

Hey Christian, keep your head up, and don’t lost your mind… Olli will realize how unfair he is right now…

I hope hear great knews about you two very soon.

Hugs Christian!

********
As fan of Thore and Jo,
I agree with ChrolliFan (02.02.2010 20:44 ), I still didn’t get why some fan complain too much…
If the story line keep going like them were, the story would became very very boring… To characters became interesting, they get to make us feel passion, hate, trust, happyness, sadnesss, etc…Making us twist for them. Now we can hope and pray to Olli and Christian make up, after that they will be stronger to face any trouble as couple again, as it was when the Fighter bedeviled them.

A big hug from the bottom my heart to you Throre and Jo, you are the best of the best…

@renata
@liv

I noticed this too and was annoyed at first, but then i realized that there are very very deliberate times when Christian seems to avoid/ be annoyed by Olli’s affection, and these usually follow on the heels of a fight or if he’s preoccupied with something else, i.e. work or his brother. I took a look at all of Nanna’s subs in the last month, when they DID kiss, which i will say doesn’t happen nearly enough for my tastes, lol, Christian “pulled away” from Olli only while he was taking care of Elias. If you want to project that on to Thore – which i think is unfair,( as his actions, as well as everyone’s actions are so closely proscribed by the director) it could be attributable to the fact that he was handling a live animal while filming and so his energies were directed elsewhere. So I won’t tally this one against him. The next scene that month where olli kisses christian is in the bar before they head upstairs. It definitely looks like christian pulls away, BUT WAIT! if you listen to the scene instead of being distracted by how hot they are, which I admit, is difficult, you see that Olli teases Christian, Christian rears back to say “ho ho ho” sarcastically but Olli follows quickly with a kiss. It’s a rare moment of miscommunication with thore and jo, with jo moving in too quickly before thore can react to the line, or thore being too slow in his reaction. Again, i won’t count it. Besides which, even if you DO count those two, they are negated by the ensuing cheek bite of sensual wonder and the Sie haben die schönsten Augen, ich kenne scene, in which no one is pulling away from ANYTHING.
The next scene of intimacy is the kleine kamikaze kriege scene, and there is no pulling way. The next moment they have is in the stables, and we learn from this vlog that christian is still a little sore about Olli showing up with Rob. In the vlog prior he was a little distance for the same reason.
Sorry for the über long post, but its something i’ve been keeping an eye on, and I can objectively say, in defense of thore, the acting choices have been sound.

I love the chrolli love fest! But this continued flirtation of Rebeca’s obsession with Christian has become insanely unbearable! What does it mean? To continue to put out a product that the fans don’t want is suicide for a show’s ratings.. Chrolli has a global audience which is unheard of in the soap industry. I’m totally bewildered that the writers are not in sync with fan demands.

And I agree with some other fans that Christian does seem cold towards Ollie sometime. He doesn’t seem believable in many instances. I hope this is just my imagination. It is very troubling!

In any event, I still love Chrolli!

Donnie D…please tell me where to find this Marlon Brando/James Deanesque B/W photo

Just a thought about Thore’s recent reluctance to “get into” the cuddling/love scenes with Jo like he used to…maybe he’s dating someone who is not particularly fond of Christian’s character?? You know how spouses or significant others can be about someone’s profession when it concerns them having to watch you get close to someone else.

Long before I met my husband, this guy I was dating didn’t want me to sing in a band or participate in plays and the like because sometimes I would have to get close on stage…just a part of the act, it never really meant anything…but he was really stupidly jealous. Then, of course, there’s still that very real possibility that the writers are moving toward a break up…which would be disastrous to say the least.

I agree, though, the boys have so wonderfully and believably brought “Chrolli” to vibrant, living colour life for the fans…it’s sad to see some of that missing.

Salut Sarah
Je ne sais pas si c’est vraiment “Olli et Christian” qui ont répondu à ton commentaire mais il ne faut pas oublier que nous sommes dans une série avec pleins de rebondissements. Pour entretenir le suspens il y aura forcément des hauts et des bas en ce qui concerne la relation entre Olli et Christian. Suite aux prochains épisodes…
J’aimerais bien savoir ce qu’en pensent Olli et christian.
Hello Sarah I do not know if it is really ” Olli and Christian ” that answered your comment but you should not forget that we are in a series with heights of new developments. To maintain the suspense there will be necessarily heights and bottoms(stockings) as regards the relation between Olli and Christian. Further to the next episodes…
I would like to know of what thinks of it Olli and christian.

Jean-Max from Auxerre in France

Hey Christian,

als erstes einmal ein von Herzen kommendes ENDLICH…ENDLICH wieder eine Chrolligeschichte. Eine Geschichte, die nicht nach 2 Tagen beendet ist und auch keine Chrolligeschichte die wie so oft einfach im Bett endet.

In meinen Augen hast Du recht und auch nicht übertrieben reagiert. Seit Rob aufgetaucht ist und Olli flausen in den Kopf setzt, ist er leider nicht mehr er selber

Klar möchte er beruflich weiter kommen und dass ist ja auch sein gutes Recht aber bitte nicht auf biegen und brechen.

Und einfach nachplappern, was Rob ihm ins Ohr flüstert geht gar nicht.
Und eine Party im Pferdestall “keine gute Idee” um es mit Olivia zu sagen

Okay, Du hättest Deine Absage etwas diplomatischer verpacken können, aber so bist Du nun einmal. Öfter mal etwas drüber

Man merkt Euch beiden an, dass Euch die Situation zu schaffen macht, dass sieht man an den verstohlenen Blicken, die Ihr Euch zuwerft, wenn Ihr meint, der andere bemerkt es nicht.

Sicher hat Olli bereits einiges in Kauf nehmen müssen im laufe der letzten 2 Jahre, aber so etwas sollte nicht immer und immer wieder auf den Tisch kommen. Man hilgft dem Partner aus Liebe und verlangt oder erwartet dafür keinen Dank oder eine Widergutmachung.

Chrissi verschaffe aber bitte bitte Rob durch Deine Sturheit ( ich sage nur störischer als ein Schottisches Hochlandrind ) keinen Vorteil bei Olli.

Überwinde Dich um Eurer Liebe willen, gehe auf ihn zu, redet miteinander und findet gemeinsam eine Lösung.

Lasst Euch nicht von so einem unterkriegen, Ihr habt soviel erreicht.

Thore ich kann nur den Hut vor Deiner absolut traumhaften Darbietung ziehen. So wie Du die Verzweiflung von Christian darstellst, ist einfach nur TOTALL TOLL

Man sieht Euch die Freude, den Spaß an, den Ihr endlich wieder beim Spielen habt. Lange Zeit musste man ja befürchten, dass Ihr aufgebt.

Vielen Dank, dass Ihr durchgehalten habt. Ihr macht das wirklich toll.

LG und Küsschen Stimi

sarah, none of that has been proven to eventually happen yet, don’t scare chrolli fans with info that isn’t even true

@Renata

I agree with you totally about Christian being physically cold toward Olli.

I’m not talking about before they sleep together or fleeting touches here and there but Christian actually putting his arm around Olli or pulling him in for a hug.

We hardly EVER see him be affectionate to Olli anymore like he has in the past,

It’s so one sided now, if Olli didn’t touch Christian you wouldn’t see ANY physical contact between them.

In the last 5 Chrolli vblogs I don’t think you see Christian actually touch Olli first once.

What I find really upsetting is Christian keeps jerking his head back or turning his face away when Olli touches him and when they kiss Christian pulls away so quickly like Olli has a disease.

The last time we saw them BOTH be affectionate to each other is when Christian returned from his camping trip with Gregor, if you compare that with them in the stables recently it’s like night and day.
Christian first pulls his head away and looks reluctant, uncomfortable and like he can barely stand to be there. Christian’s dialogue is saying one thing but Thore’s body language is saying something else entirely.

A lot of fans have noticed and there has been much discussion about whether it’s part of the Christian storyline or whether Thore is now uncomfortable doing love scenes with Jo.

Whatever the reason I hope they can fix the problem soon.

So many fans from around the world love the characters of Christian and Olli so much because Thore and Jo have been able to make them so real, genuine and believable because of their off the charts chemistry and connection but now that’s slowly disappearing.

We just want our old Chrolli back, the passionate, romantic, playful and loving COUPLE not this watered down lukewarm version where only one of them shows any affection.

Hallo ChrOlli!
Ich freue mich immer wieder über eure Videos!
Vertragt euch bitte wieder und ich würde mich freuen, wenn bald
eine Heirat im Drehbuch stehen würde.

(Jo und Thore ihr seid klasse Schauspieler hab euch lieb)

I’m so mad right now I could spit teeth. I’ve been following the Christian and Olli story for months loved very minute of it. Now the head writer Feiler who’s made it pretty clear she’s only interested in Ansgar and the other Lambsteak losers and could care less about Chrolli or their fans. Well all I can say is watch for the ratings to plummet because Chribecca will never get the same kind of following as our boys. I can’t see anyone bothering to translate their scenes, create fansites or come to a blog like this to talk about how much they enjoy their scenes and thanking them for both being great actors.

Any other soap would have been over the moon to have created such a popular couple and would do everything to keep them together as long as the actors wanted to stay with the show. Yet since the former head writer Chroust left the show the new team have done their level best to destroy Chrolli first by depriving them of sensible storylines and now turning Christian straight again in order to provide Miss Soap with a love interest. I guess that having an international audience who follow VL even though many of them can’t speak German.

I’ve already bought my ticket to New York and am looking forward to meeting Jo and Thore in order to thank them for all their hard work in making the Chrolli story so compelling but honestly knowing that Chribecca is looming on the horizon leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth.

The writers have started the character assassination of Olli, turning him
from the gorgeous sweet Olli, who has always been a supportive caring boyfriend
into the “bad guy”……

Next Olli will cheat on Christian, leaving Christian as the “martyr” in their relationship and placing ALL THE BLAME ON Olli.

Of course we know why, the last few months have been all about Rebecca and
Christian. First the fighting, then making them “best friends” now she will be
a shoulder to cry on for Christian when he and Olli break up.

Christian will suddenly discover he’s “straight” again and he and Rebecca will then become the new “dream couple”…..what makes this even worse is that Christian will totally forget that Rebecca not long ago had a sexual relationship with his brother…..eeww!!!

Chrolli fans will NEVER EVER accept this, it’s a complete and utter slap in the face to
the fans from all around the world.

I feel sorry for Olli, I can’t believe there not only going to ruin his beautiful love story with Christian but also destroy his character in the process, he doesn’t deserve that at all.

Chrolli-

It makes me so sad to see you guys fight, because you’re the most beautiful couple to ever exist, no contest. I love you guys, and I know you love each other a lot, and thats why I think that you should be telling all this to OLLI, Christian, rather than a video camera. Don’t let this kind of out-of-this-world love die, its soooooo hard to find.

(a little message to the VL writers…)
I really hope you aren’t thinking about breaking this boys up…
THAT is one mistake you really DON’T want to make. A LOT of Chrolli fans, including myself, would most definitely stop watching this show if that happens….please don’t do it.

Sorry my bad English but some weeks now I’ve felt Christian cold, distant,even unconfortable at love scenes. He just seems tolerate Olli’s kisses. Olli has been the only one who shows passion, tenderness and desire. I think his neck must’ve grown a few cm. due to his constant craning to reach the aloof Christian’s mouth and cheek.
Apparently this plot will end up a sad sad sad breaking-off of our beloved couple.
The sight of this breaks my heart into million pieces, therefore the only way to preserve emotional health in Chrolli lovers is stop watching the show at cap 200 or less.
I like Christian but I’m lost in love with Olli.

kisses for Olli

Ich finde es echt blöd in einem Pferdestall eine Paty zu machen. Ich bin gespannt

Endlich, endlich geht es hier mal wieder um Chrolli, die ja wohl der einzige Grund sind für diese Seite, diesen Vlog und all die Menschen, die sich hier unterhalten. Die Rebecca- Story hat wohl uns allen nicht gefallen, was wir hier ja auch dankenswerterweise aussprechen durften, aber jetzt geht es weiter, endlich, egal wie. Wobei es so egal dann auch wieder nicht ist, denn Chrolli zu trennen wäre ein riesengroßer Verlust für alle Fans, aber auch für all die Homosexuellen, denen durch dieses Paar vielleicht ein klein wenig mehr Toleranz zugekommen ist. Es wäre so schade darum, zumal so eine große Liebe wegen solcher Nichtigkeiten eigentlich nicht kaputt gehen sollte und dürfte und alles, was in diesem Zusammenhang mit Rob noch passieren sollte, kann sobald es in die Richtung eines Seitensprungs geht eigentlich nur lächerlich werden, weil der Charakter des Olli, so wie er dargestellt wird, die treuste Seele überhaupt ist. Ob Christian jetzt überreagiert oder nicht, ist wohl jedem selbst überlassen zu beurteilen, aber ich persönlich denke, dass ein Christian, ein Mensch allgemein, in seiner ganzen Verletztheit, die mehr als verständlich und bedauerlich ist, dennoch in der Lage sein sollte die Dinge reflektiert und differenziert zu betrachten, um dann zu dem Schluss zu kommen, dass es bei Gott schlimmeres auf dieser Welt gibt.
Um zum Abschluss noch zu zitieren…
“Thore, you broke my heart today.” Deine schauspielerische Leistung heute war echt super!
Liebe Grüße ausm schwarzen Wald:-)

@At Chrolli Fan Please don’t do that. Don’t dismiss the opinions of others as juvenile because it doesn’t happen to gel with yours. The blog is here for Chrolli fans from around the world to exchange views and indulge their Chrolli addiction not to insult each other.

Yes, Chrolli fans were tired of the guys playing supported and wanted a front burner storyline for them and the Olli storyline which sees him pursue a dream, possibly be attracted to Rob while questioning his commitment to Christian is good solid drama. Seeing Christian who has struggled to accept his sexuality, publicly describe himself as gay and live openly with his boyfriend then gravitate towards the character of Rebecca is ridiculous on so many levels it’s hard to know where to start. Suffice to say it’s a huge step backwards for VL especially as I suspect the decision to pair them has more do with Rebecca being crowned soap queen than a belief in the dramatic possibilities of such a coupling. That and the fact Thore and Jasmine simply do not spark off each other making it hard to believe that the down to earth and sensible Christian could in any way be drawn to the spoilt, shallow and (to use a word from your post) juvenile Rebecca.

When all is said and done Chrolli are a pretty major phenomenon. Two characters from a little known German soap gain an international audience and as a result inspire other soaps to introduce similar gay love storylines of their own. I suspect they have taught more people about equality and tolerance than thirty years of campaigning from the various gay and lesbian groups. Another valid reason why fans would feel a sense of outrage at the idea of ‘Chribecca’

Personally, I’m keeping an open mind and trusting in the good sense of the writers and producers and hoping that they don’t reward two years of loyalty and devotion by breaking Chrolli up this way.

Mir fällt zu dem Verhalten von Chris nur die Wörter Selbstmitleid und Selbstgerechtigkeit ein. Einfach sich selbst mal zurücknehmen, mit Olli überlegen, reden und ihm zwar sagen, das die Gestütsparty aus dem und dem Grund nicht geht, aber er ansonsten auf deine Unterstützung zählen kann.

Statt dessen wird Olli mit Blicken und ironischen Worten abgestraft wie ein Kleinkind (das endlich endlich kontern lernt) und man selbst ist die einzige Wahrheit. Großartig!

Nee, sorry, dein Verhalten geht genauso wenig wie die Idee der Gestütsparty. Die Reaktion von Chris ist so kindisch wie Ollis Idee von der Party.

ich finde den artikel große klasse. i love chrolli

Eric: The black and white publicity photo of Thore you referred to in your comment is not only reminiscent of Marlon Brando, but in my opinion, more reminiscent of the American Iconic Legend James Dean of 1950’s fame!

der Geflügelhändler, Illinois, USA

I’m so glad that I found Verbotene Liebe with the estory about Christian
and Olliver!!
YOU ARE GETTING BETTER EACH DAY!
I’m also grateful for the person who translates the episodes and put it in youtube.
Unfortunately there isn’t a version to buy in video, but I download almost everything that I can about these guys, mainly about Thore .
I already have up to now 20GB of videos and photos
I’d love to see Thore on big screen one day!!
Thanks

Ich habe wirklich Angst, dass es mit Chrolli bald zuende gehen könnte! Bedenkt man was sie alles durchgemacht haben, wäre es richtig tragisch. Wir brauchen Chrolli. Wir lieben Chrolli – gebt uns doch lieber deren Hochzeit als sinnlose Streitereien wegen Nichtigkeiten. Egal wer “Recht” hat, wer sich liebt verzeiht und kann über solche Belanglosigkeiten hinweg sehen. Olli hat sich viell. blöd benommen, aber er will auch endlich mal etwas erreichen und war sonst immer nur für andere da, ich finde die Entwicklung eigentlich recht gut und hoffe auf Chrischis Unterstützung, meiner hätte er. Nichts destro trotz war es natürlich blöd wie Olli reagiert hat, aber wie gesagt, die beiden lieben sich und so soll es immer bleiben, denn wir lieben und brauchen Chrolli!!!

Sorry, aber auf die Idee zu kommen, eine Party in nem Pferdestall auf einem Adelsgut zu veranstalten, gehört schon eine gehörige Portion Blödheit.

Sind das wirklich die gleichen Autoren, die so ironische Bemerkungen aus Carlas Mund über ihre damals vergessene Tochter Sophia einbringen und im gleichen Zug Olli so dämlich darstellen.

So it’s official, TPTB are really serious about stomping all over this great couple and the fact that they have fans all over the world, are responsible for introducing VL to many people and presented a picture of strong and committed gay love means absolutely nothing to them.

Rebecca is clearly being set up as the heroine, providing decks at the drop of a hat and now saving Luise’s castle in the most stupid, unbelievable and illegal way possible. At the same time Olli has suddenly turned from being an understanding, sensible and loving boyfriend into a scarf wearing would be party king who is drawn to the crapness that is Rob, honestly thinks that throwing a rave near a stable full of expensive horses is a good idea and gets the hump when his boyfriend disagrees. He’ll most likely hook up with the said Rob who clearly fancies him but is a drug dealing lowlife and rapidly bring about the end of his relationship to the completely suddenly unsupportive and bitchy Christian. That will leave the way open for Christian and Rebecca to finally get it on.

I could go on and on about the fact that Jasmine Lord is a weak actress, that she and Thore have no chemistry, that they will never attract the same kind of fan base but it’s all been said countless times before and it seems to have made no difference to the very people who should care namely the writers and producers. I guess we’d better prepare ourselves for the loss of Chrolli and this blog or perhaps get used to Christian and Miss Soap 2009, (what a joke) using the blog to give us regular insights into their lives. I for one have no interest in waiting around for that to happen and I’ll bet that many other Chrolli fans will feel the same.

Ohjee Jungs, was ist denn das für eine Stimmung bei euch ??

Im Allgemeinen gebe ich den meisten ja Recht wenn sie sagen Olli hat Christian die ganze Zeit unterstützt ohne wenn und aber, aber das ist ja auch normal in einer Beziehung und Christian unterstützt Olli ja auch, nur sieht er nicht alles so rosarot wie Olli und das ist auch gut so.

Also Christian, meiner Meinung nach übertreibst du nicht sondern hast völlig Recht.
Olli ist zur Zeit so benebelt von Ropp´s tollen Ideen, dass er gar nicht auf die Idee kommt dass Ropp ein falsches Spiel treiben könnte.
Allerdings solltest du lieber mit Olli reden, gerade wenn du Ropp nicht traust, was ich völlig richtig finde.
Lass Olli nicht ins offene Messer rennen, rede mit ihm, steh hinter ihm dann kann Ropp euch nichts anhaben.
Und egal was Olli getan hat oder noch tut, gib ihn nicht auf
Ihr macht das schon

Thore, dieser Blog was mal wieder total toll und so gefühlvoll.
Ich war wirklich ergriffen von deiner Verzweiflung und Verletztheit, die du rübergebracht hast.
Macht weiter so

Liebe Grüsse and kisses to you
Sabrina

First off, I want to give a hearty net applause to Thore for his touching performance with this vblog submission. It was subtle yet held all the emotions that he wanted the character, Christian, to portray.

Thore seems to really delve into the wide range of acting challenges – and he seems like he has a lot of fun when he does comedy (especially, physical comedy….his facial expressions are hilarious!). So it was refreshing, once again, to see the opposite end of the spectrum; the emotional depth of the character he portrays, with such subtlety. I think this is what really hooked me on to Chrolli; it was the honesty with which the two characters were portrayed by Jo and Thore. It became a story about Chrolli, two *people* and their unique love story as they navigate life (gender be damned). Kudos!

Nuances in hesitation from the actors, however subtle, can and do get picked up by the viewers, especially those sensitive to the fact that it is a “gay” storyline, and the bias that maybe the actors won’t give it the same respect and honesty in portrayal as they would if they had the run-of-the-mill, common “straight” storyline. The hesitation in the little touches, where they *do* not touch, but, *do* so in a female counterpart, the self-conscious tightening of the body in an embrace, etc. Well, at least, this viewer notices when I come across all the “gay storylines” from various TV shows and movies. And, it makes me lose a bit of respect for the actors…because the very skill of theirs they’re displaying…….ACTING……gets trumped by their own personal hesitation and awkwardness, or, thinking of their acting partner’s hesitation so not giving it their all, themselves.

It’s sad that it’s still about the gay/straight divide, but, such is still a reality. Look at Nanna’s channel on Youtube and the ridiculous flagging of some of the videos as “inappropriate” because it had two MEN kissing, while “straight storylines” and pop music videos have more blatant sexuality and simulated sex and are not flagged. Idiots! Makes me want to root for such great storylines even more (like Chrolli), to kind of throw it in those ignorant people’s faces.

And, I commend Thore for making steady progress as he immerses more and more in Christian and portraying that character honestly…such as his deep love and affection for his partner, Olli (he has really blossomed into his role of Christian, through the story of Chrolli).

(I have many accolades for Jo Weil too, but, since this is a Christian vblog, I focused on Thore)

***
On to the storyline:

I don’t really understand the emotional (in my opinion, juvenile) reactions from some of the Chrolli fans with the introduction of Rebecca and Rob. These are probably the same fans who complain that their “boys” are not being given meaty storylines, are in the background too much, and, are the first to bring out their pitchforks when a conflict (injection of story/drama) is introduced to the storyline. And, given that it’s a SOAP OPERA, one of the hallmarks of conflict is relationship drama. So, yeah, don’t really understand that.

I think the main challenge would be to create the conflict, setting up the tension between Olli and Christian through the two foils, Rob and Rebecca. Christian sees Ollie getting more and more immersed into his “dream” of being a great party planner, and thus, getting attached to the hopes that Rob induces, where, Rebecca “conveniently” is there to be Christian’s shoulder to cry on. And, each character, Olli and Christian feels that the other is rejecting them because they’re not turning to them, but rather an outsider (Rebecca/Rob). And, hopefully, in time, the characters battle through this drama and come out stronger, and more together, in the end.

The writers are going up against Christian and Olli whose history consists of coming out of the closet, standing up proudly for their partner, in the face of a career downfall, being patient with the hesitancies of a partner’s acceptance of self, conquering each other’s (and families) health issues, supporting each others’ dreams, “I couldn’t let you drown like this.”

Thus, the challenging part of it is finding a good balance in projecting this conflict while not selling the characters short. The viewers have to believe the transition of the characters’ psyches rather than be manipulated into false sympathy for, say, Christian, because Ollie is suddenly pulling a Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde, by becoming a selfish and self-absorbed character. If Olli’s character is continued to be portrayed as such a stark contrast to who the viewers have understood the essence of the character to be, it will seem (and, in my opinion, rightly so), as a superficial plot device to gain sympathy for Christian as he and Rebecca become more immersed in each other’s realities. Don’t sell out Olli to justify Christian.

The most blatant reaction I had to this was when the character Olli bursts out that he doesn’t really care about the horses, it’s only for a night, and that the party is the *only* important thing. Olli has never been so short-sighted. Even if we’re to believe that his dreams are making him act so, it’s a hard sell because Olli is still Olli, underneath it all….whatever dreams he’s currently fulfilling. (this new change in Olli reminds me of the superficial plot of Olli going to Ibiza…because Jo had other commitments….and how short-sighted Olli was initially about Christian’s exams…but, Olli eventually, and quickly, came around…it was so…out of character and flimsy)

I think the key would be to keep the turmoil of both the characters’ at the forefront, as they, in a way, unwillingly gets pushed into the arms of Rob/Rebecca, because they’re like trains missing each other in the communication track. Which just builds and builds the misunderstandings (each seeing the other’s faults, but blinded to their own faults, due to the jealousies, the insecurities, all of that good ol’ angsty stuff), so that the “evil foils” can move in for their kills (Rob/Rebecca). And, after dragging this angst on for a while, the characters can have an epic reunion back to each other.

Just my very long 2 cents to the continuing saga of Chrolli, and I hope I get to keep enjoying this pairing for a while, conflicts and drama, and all.

PS – thanks DasErste for giving us this Chrolli vblog, to keep our addiction fed, even longer.

Congratulations VL

Thank you for destroying chrolli ! i think you don’t understand how important they are for us !

I’m sad…so sad

Olli being angry with about not having his back and then sleeping on the sofa is out of character for him.Christian you were right about saying no because of the orses and you’re just starting your job.Olli has to make a choice,does he want to have a successful career at the expense of his relationship with you.That is what would happen if Rob comes back again.My boyfriend couldn’t say no to his boss and he chose his career over being with me and we broke up.

ps: my perception is that most viewers feel this actor has really advanced in his portrayal of Christian…more believable, displays emotions convincingly, more at ease in the role.

And it is so charming to our English-speaking ears to hear these guys talking about “Ropp-Ropp-Ropp” (ph.). Alas, I think those viewers are correct that say Rob is trying to imitate an American. No one would have said that, for example, about the boxing promoter. Rob’s American portrayal rivals that black-and-white publicity photo of Mr. Schoelermann with a lit cigarette dangling out of his mouth—-he looks like that photo of Marlon Brando back in the ’50s.

Finally—if Oliver kicks you out, you can come stay with me LOL.

Eric
US

Also echt Leute, das menschliche Gedächtnis ist bei den meisten kurz und man sieht nur die momentane Situation. Anderst ist es nicht zu erklären, das Olli hier als selbstsüchtiger, egoistischer und Chris links liegenlassender, ihn total vernachlässigender Freund dargestellt wird.

Sorry, Olli hat nach zwei Jahren mit dem Mann, der das Wort Egoismus erfunden zu haben scheint, ein kleines bisschen Recht auf eigenen Egoismus, auf sein Leben außerhalb von Chris Welt, auf was eigenes und verdammt noch mal auf Chris Unterstützung. Er selbst hat das immer ohne wenn und aber getan. Selbst wenn Chris bei der Idee Gestütsparty nein sagen muss, hätte er sich doch mal ruhig mit Olli zusammensetzen können, um Alternativen zu überlegen. Einfach reden, ruhig bleiben und Olli ernst nehmen. Statt dessen sagt er z.T. auch aus Eifersucht nein, behandelt ihn dann ironisch von oben herab und lässt ihn vor seinen Freunden auflaufen, während Olli umgekehrt, egal wie wütend er ist, Chris vor Rob schützt.

Nein, wirklich Chris, Dein Freund hat Deine Unterstützung verdient und Deine Loyalität sowieso. Man lässt seinen Freund nicht vor anderen wir die Selbstgerechtiglkeit persönlich auflaufen. Ich find dein Selbstmitleid ganz schlimm. Aber dreht sich die Chrolli Welt einmal nicht um Christian Mann, ist das natürlich der Weltuntergang! Du b ist nicht das Zentrum der Gerstirne! Unterstütz Deinen Freund gefälligst, so wie er es getan hat!

Man oh man, what a difference a week makes in this blog!

Christian is entirely correct in this situation. But he needs to just stop and take a deep breath. He was a little too blunt, a little too candid with Oliver, despite Oliver being completely wrong. Sometimes in a relationship one can be completely in the right but one still has to finesse one’s erring partner along till he/she sees the light.

Chrisitan stand by your guns! We have an expression back here for people who do not know horses or have any horse ‘Sense’ and that is: “They must have been born on Concrete!” That is exactly what I would say about Rob and Olli, because they do not realize that horses cannot take strange, loud noises, smells, and lights, especially at night time. They spook too easily.
You made the right decision by not helping Olli have the party in the stables. Do not loose any sleep over it. Olli will get over it.

der Geflügelhändler, Illinois, USA

Just saw the episode today.. Christian, I am sorry to see this, but Olli is not being fair to you. Sometimes it’s ok to give a little even when you know you are right. However, in this case, Olli should not let that big jerk Rob push him around. Christian, you were right to tell Olli he should have talked to you before making promises!!

Hugs

At long last something interesting PLEASE CHROLLI FIGHT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!! I’m having fun with it!! ;-P)….& for @never2late: it’s not true that we fans think all the same, as a matter of fact I was so extremely bored by the lacking of a proper Chrolli’s storyline, to have almost decided to quit, just to come back for the finale of this couple (since nothing happened for ages!!)

So, thank you writers, for having now something a little more exciting to watch, before these poor actors had had very little to do IMO in VL, hadn’t they?!

Again, thanks Jo&Thore for your good work, as usual…Bye***

PS_CIAO with O…I guess?? Improvising much & nice for Thore today ^_^

PPS_Anyways people, what’s the point in commenting here, if the actors have already recorded months ago these clips, & the writers decided on their own the progress of the storyline?! :-/

Hallo “Christian”!
Keine Sorge, du hast vollkommen Recht. Es war dringend nötig, Olli zu zeigen, dass er von dir nicht alles von dir verlangen kann, während er dich links liegen lässt. Es ist traurig, zu sehen, dass er momentan nur Rob und das NoLimits im Kopf hat, ohne an eure Beziehung und deine Gefühle zu denken. Anstatt euch anzuschweigen, dürfte Reden allerdings recht hilfreich sein

Lieber Thore, du spielst Christian wirklich genial. Er ist ein unglaublich glaubwürdiger Charakter, dessen Leben man gerne verfolgt und der eine Bereicherung für die deutsche Fernsehwelt ist. Schön, dass es Schauspieler wie dich gibt

Ach, Christian, lass’ den Kopf nicht haengen. Du solltest aber mit Olli reden und ihm sagen dass er sich mehr Zeit fuer Euch machen muss. Und wenn Du Rob nicht so richtig ueber dem Weg traust solltest Du auch ein Auge auf ihn haben.

Tschuess

At long last something interesting PLEASE CHROLLI FIGHT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!! I’m having fun with it!! ;-P)….& for @never2late: it’s not true that we fans think all the same, as a matter of fact I was so extremely bored by the lacking of a proper Chrolli’s storyline, to have almost decided to quit, just to come back for the finale of this couple (since nothing happened for ages!!)

So, thank you writers, for having now something a little more exciting to watch, before these poor actors had had very little to do IMO in VL, hadn’t they?!

Again, thanks Jo&Thore for your good work, as usual…Bye***

PS_CIAO with O…I guess?? Improvising much & nice for Thore today ^_^

PPS_Anyways people, what’s the point in commenting here, if the actors have already recorded months ago these clips, & the writers decided on their own the progress of the storyline?! :-/

At long last something interesting….& for @never2late: it’s not true that we fans think all the same, as a mater of fact I was so extremely bored by the lacking of a proper Chrolli’s storyline, to have almost decided to quit, just to come back for the finale of this couple (since nothing happened for ages!!)

So, thank you writers, for having now something a little more exciting to watch, before these poor actors had had very little to do IMO in VL, hadn’t they?!

Again, thanks Jo&Thore for your good work, as usual…Bye***

PS_CIAO with O…I guess?? Improvising much & nice for Thore today ^_^

PPS_Anyways people, what’s the point in commenting here, if the actors have already recorded months ago these clips, & the writers decided on their own the progress of the storyline?! :-/

Also wenn man diesen blog so durchliest und anschaut, hat man das Gefühl, das viele nicht mehr unterscheiden können, zwischen Fiktion und Realität.
Und wenn man die letzten Folgen von VL anschaut, dann denke ich mir, das langsam die Luft raus ist.
Die Handlungen sind manchmal so lauwarm… ich meine, die Serie ist langsam am auslaufen..
nach so vielen Jahren,wäre vielleicht Zeit.
Und hoffentlich kommen die anderen Schauspieler nicht auch noch auf die Idee, einen Blog einzurichten…
Tut mir leid,also ich halte so was für total überflüssig.

Olli is now sleeping on the sofa after telling the love of his life that he doesn’t have his back.Olli u have to ask yourself is my career becoming so important that I’m willing to sacrifice my happiness with Christian?Right now I think the answer is yes because when Rob snaps his fingers you jump and can’t say no to him.You & Christian need to talk to each other and discuss this instead of the silent treatment.

Einerseits habe ich ja die ganze Zeit gehofft, dass mal wieder etwas im langweiligen Leben unserer beiden netten Schwulen von nebenan passiert, andererseits muss es ja nicht grad gleich wieder ne Krise ZIWSCHEN den beiden sein. Die beiden Darsteller verstehen es hervorragend, Beziehungsprobleme des Paares dazustellen, genaugenommen wirken sie dabei authentischer, als wenn sie ihre Liebe zueinander darstellen müssen. Klar, die Entstehungsgeschichte des Paares ist einer der schönsten Love-Stories im deutschen Fernsehen…aber auch da sind die Momente, in denen sie ihren Groll aufeinander darzustellen haben, emotional schon sehr viel heftiger.
Ich hätte es jetzt mal schöner gefunden, wenn die beiden ein gemeinsamen Problem, welches von aussen auf sie eindringt und beide betrifft, gemeinsam zu meistern gehabt hätten, mit dem Erfolg, dass das Ganze sie noch fester aneinander schweißt und vielleicht in einer Hochzeit mündet…?

Lieber “Christian” Du hast vollkommen RECHT!!!!

Olli verhält sich derzeit wirklich sehr egoistisch und ist nicht er selbst. Der Einfluss von Rob tut ihm definitiv nicht gut… aber ich verstehe auch, dass er gerade seine große Chance sieht und diese nicht verpassen will.
Aber andererseits kann ich Christian verstehen… dass er sich allein gelassen fühlt, auch er hätte Unterstützung gebraucht.
Ich finde auch nicht, dass Christian übertreibt. Olli behandelt ihn in letzter Zeit oft, als würde Christian ihm schaden wollen… und wir alle wissen, dass das niemals der Fall sein könnte.
Ich bin wirklich auf diese Woche gespannt!

@Thore: Wirklich grandios gespielt! Es hat mich wirklich sehr berührt!

Und an die Autoren: Danke!
Ich bin echt froh, dass die Beziehungsprobleme im Blog thematisiert werden (und dazu noch so toll) und der Blog nicht ausgefallen ist oder wovor ich Angst hatte: Das der Blog ganz normal stattfindet und die beiden sich benehmen, als wäre alles ok.
Deswegen: Danke!

Ok…I’m confused. After reading all the supportive comments…are Jimothy, Daniel W, and Shenadoah (isn’t that Shenandoah??) all the same people??? They’ve left the exact same comments!!

Perhaps it’s just the Chrolli connection…we all start to think alike after awhile when it comes to those characters, don’t we?? : )

Sorry for the multiple posts of thesame text. My computer kept telling me that there was an error when I tried to post. Next time i will wait until the vlog monitor posts the next batch of messaqges.

DW

why my comment is not put in day?

Dear Christian

(how stupid it is to write to a fictional character ? LOL)

I think you should go back to memory lane a bit.
Don’t you remember when you pursuit your own
boxing career ? who was behind you 100% ?
Who support you ? admire you ? and accept to be
left on numerous occasion just because you had
“other appointment” ?

I can understand that you are feeling frustrated,
but Olli had his share of “missed rendez vous”(remember
when your horse had collicis ?)

Olli has a dream, he may be wrong about Rob and
dream too much, but maybe once you could think
of him first ?

with all my friendship and bad english

poor christian,it is so sad.it is very loving of olli,but christian a maybe reason of to be careful of robert,this guy is not net, i believe which manipulates olli.i think that christian and olli will arrive has overcome test because love is stronger than everything.thank you has to you.big kisses

poor christian,it is so sad.it is very loving of olli,but christian a maybe reason of to be careful of robert,this guy is not net,i believe which manipulates olli.i think that christian and olli will arrive has overcome test because love is stronger than everything.thank you has to you.big kisses

Of course you are not overreacting!!

I hope you guys make up soon

México

I’m 21 and you guys are my role models……I know people make terrible mistakes….but I’m not going to let you guys……do the unthinkable……

Imagine being loved by the entire world one day and the next: You Are The Villain. That’s what Oliver is going through portrayed by Jo…..but he has convinced us and very well too (Jo that is)……all your fans are really floored by this, but are with you this time Christian…..we are living on the edge, pulling for you both to stay together……cannot possibly imagine a breakup. It would be just awful…….wow, cant wait for the next Nanna installment….Show maturity and love, Dudes!

tu publico latino quie ver la serie con los subtitulos en español lo vamos a esperar cuidate mucho eres muy bello

The after-sex scene in the hay this week was a nice piece of eye candy that I much appreciated. But there is something about the scene that seems wrong to me.

From his body language, it looks like Olli has made love with Christian. In the after-glow of sex, Olli is cuddling with his lover. But now look at Christian. He looks awkward on his back with his right hand held on his thigh. He looks like he just had sex, not made love. How much better the scene would have been, in my opinion, if Christian had had his right arm around Olli holding him close.

Christian does not need to be as gushing as Olli is, but if he held Olli sometimes, I think Christian’s love for Olli would be more believable.

An example might be with both guys lying on the sofa, Olli’s back to Christian’s chest with Christian’s arm wrapped around Olli’s chest while they watch television.

The frequent kissing kiss on the cheek is fine but can become a substitute for intimacy. Tenderly holding the one you love close speaks louder than words.

And body language is a big part of acting.

Thore,

Wonderfully done! So natural — it seems as if you’re entirely engaged in Christian’s thought process and his emotions, that you’re finding the words in yourself as you speak them. Truly first-rate acting! Thank you so much for this — and for all you do — you and Jo bring so much pleasure to very many people!

Olli saying Christian doesn’t have his back and then going to sleep on the sofa surprised me.Don’t want to choose sides but Rob isn’t worth the two of them breaking up.Rebecca helped with the dj equipment and tried to help Olli again by having the party at the castle but I don’t want to see her with Christian,but if it happens it happens.Again great story VL.

my pleasure, daniel!

ach, wäre judith doch wieder da, die hätte den beiden schon gehörig den marsch geblasen!
die sollte chrissie-baby vielleicht mal anrufen, wenn er meint, er hätte niemanden zum reden. wo er eigentlich doch sowieso nur mal über den hausflur gehen und bei seinem bruder anklopfen müßte. gregor hätte bestimmt nichts gegen eine abwechselung seines eigentlich doch recht tristen ehedaseins einzuwenden. und als partner des nolimits ja auch noch gewisses mitspracherecht, nicht?

naja, aber so schnell wollen wir das ende dieser doch erst jungen chrolli-geschichte gar nicht, oder? ich jendfalls bin gespannt, wie es weitergeht.

liebe grüße an jo und thore und euch chrollianer!

Cristian, will see everything it will be all right. I attend that you accept my friendship on ***. hi

The after-sex scene in the hay this week was a nice piece of eye candy that I much appreciated. But there is something about the scene that seems wrong to me.

From his body language, it looks like Olli has made love with Christian. In the after-glow of sex, Olli is cuddling with his lover. But now look at Christian. He looks awkward on his back with his right hand held on his thigh. He looks like he just had sex, not made love. How much better the scene would have been, in my opinion, if Christian had had his right arm around Olli holding him close.

Christian does not need to be as gushing as Olli is, but if he held or fondled Olli sometimes, I think Christian’s love for Olli would be more believable.

An example might be with both guys lying on the sofa, Olli’s back to Christian’s chest with Christian’s arm wrapped around Olli’s chest.

The after-sex scene in the hay this week was a nice piece of eye candy that I much appreciated. But there is something about the scene that seems wrong to me.

From his body language, it looks like Olli has made love with Christian. In the after-glow of sex, Olli is cuddling with his lover. But now look at Christian. He looks awkward on his back with his right hand held on his thigh. He looks like he just had sex, not made love. How much better the scene would have been, in my opinion, if Christian had had his right arm around Olli holding him close.

Christian does not need to be as gushing as Olli is, but if he held or fondled Olli sometimes, I think Christian’s love for Olli would be more believable.

An example might be with both guys lying on the sofa, Olli’s back to Christian’s chest with Christian’s arm wrapped around Olli’s chest.

The after-sex scene in the hay this week was a nice piece of eye candy that I much appreciated. But there is something about the scene that seems wrong to me.

From his body language, it looks like Olli has made love with Christian. In the after-glow of sex, Olli is cuddling with his lover. But now look at Christian. He looks awkward on his back with his right hand held on his thigh. He looks like he just had sex, not made love. How much better the scene would have been, in my opinion, if Christian had had his right arm around Olli holding him close.

Christian does not need to be as gushing as Olli is, but if he held or fondled Olli sometimes, I think Christian’s love for Olli would be more believable.

An example might be with both guys lying on the sofa, Olli’s back to Christian’s chest with Christian’s arm wrapped around Olli’s chest.

The after-sex scene in the hay this week was a nice piece of eye candy that I much appreciated. But there is something about the scene that seems wrong to me.

From his body language, it looks like Olli has made love with Christian. In the after-glow of sex, Olli is cuddling with his lover. But now look at Christian. He looks awkward on his back with his right hand held on his thigh. He looks like he just had sex, not made love. How much better the scene would have been, in my opinion, if Christian had had his right arm around Olli holding him close.

Christian does not need to be as gushing as Olli is, but if he held or fondled Olli sometimes, I think Christian’s love for Olli would be more believable.

An example might be with both guys lying on the sofa, Olli’s back to Christian’s chest with Christian’s arm wrapped around Olli’s chest.

The after-sex scene in the hay this week was a nice piece of eye candy that I much appreciated. But there is something about the scene that seems wrong to me.

From his body language, it looks like Olli has made love with Christian. In the after-glow of sex, Olli is cuddling with his lover. But now look at Christian. He looks awkward on his back with his right hand held on his thigh. He looks like he just had sex, not made love. How much better the scene would have been, in my opinion, if Christian had had his right arm around Olli holding him close.

Christian does not need to be as gushing as Olli is, but if he held or fondled Olli sometimes, I think Christian’s love for Olli would be more believable.

An example might be with both guys lying on the sofa, Olli’s back to Christian’s chest with Christian’s arm wrapped around Olli’s chest.

fight_for_chrolli,

Thanks for the update.

Daniel W

Cristian, will see everything it will be all right. I attend that you accept my friendship on ***. Hi emiliano

Dear Thore:

Wow! Congratulations on your performance! Great acting, so true and sincere. Loved the way how you portrayed Christian’s anguish and doubt. Your voice conveyed all the emotions running through Christian head. And your look… I had tears in my eyes. Really amazing vlog.

Hugs from Portugal,
D.

Mich würde mal interessieren, was Jo und Thore über diese Artikel, die wir Fans hier hinterlassen,denken..
Vielleicht in einem seperaten Blog??
Nichtdestotrotz, schliesse ich mich den vielen Fans an, das beide sehr gute Schauspieler sind.Und dieser Blog alleine, hast gut gemacht, Thore… ) bist ein guter Schauspieler.

Hoffe, die nächste Woche ist wieder so, das man sich freut, VL anzuschauen, und 25 min geniessen kann.
Ok, guten STart in die neue Woche und Grüsse

Oh My! Guys please make up very soon, your love is so strong and beautiful you can’t let it waste away!

Hello, friends !

A great blog with Thore !

You really played the desperate but also jealous Christian absolutely fabulous, Thore !

On the one side I can understand Christian´s mistrust toward Robert:
This guy is up and about to manipulate his sweetie and doesn´t care about the magnificent relationship between Christian and Olli. Christian was absolutely right not to give his permission to promote a party on the stables. On the other side I also see that Christian acts more jealous, because his boyfriend is too fascinated of the charismatic, but selfish and arrogant Robert. A real drama queen, who is very irritated of and disbelieving in what his sweetie does.

Although Christian´s arguments were very clear and realistic and indeed understandable, I dunno think that Olli loves him not anymore: He wants to ease a great success for the NL and needs the support from his boyfriend. Sadly, Olli doesn´t realize that this Robert guy only wants to take Olli away from his great love and his friends to jerk him.

Wake up, Olli, and listen to your boyfriend ! Otherwise you will have a very, very bad nightmare… Despite your jealousliness, you´re so right, Christian !

I´m very relieved that Jo, Thore alone and together with Max now can act again much more than the previous stories with Rebecca. Last week´s great episodes were very thrilling and showed back the Chrolli magic, which we´ve all missed in 2009 so dearly. All three actors (Jo, Thore and Max) showed a very, very formidable acting skill during this bygone week. Thank you very much !

This really is the Chrolli-centric storyline we´ve waited so long for ! And this blog also with the last three blog entries, airing in January 2010, were a great beginning for this (not so) new year. In this sense: Happy new Chrolli year, Jo and Thore !

Thank you very much, Jo and Thore, keep on your excellent playing on Forbidden Love and your amazing blog !

Greetings to you all, Chrolligewitter

Sorry, ich poste hier nicht oft. Wollte mein Statement nicht doppelt schicken, sorry! Sollte nur ein Beitrag sein

“Rumzuflennnen, weil man mal nicht der Mittelpunkt des Weltgeschehens ist, finde ich ICH-BEZOGEN.”

Vorallem, wenn man bedenkt das dieser Robert gerade mal ein paar Tage (!) da ist. Nach ein paar Monaten könnte ich diese Form von Ich-Bezogenheit verstehen, aber nicht weil Olli 2 Tage lang mit einem Geschäftspartner beschäftigt war. Und zur gleichen Zeit hat Christian doch auch nur über seinen Gaul gequatscht und wie extrem wichtig und toll das alles ist (Regionaler Dressurkader usw. ) Mir kommt das eher so vor, als wenn Christian seine beruflichen Ziele wichtiger nimmt und nicht das er sich privat vernachlässigt fühlt. Schon vor der Stallidee kam es mir so vor, als wenn Ollis Begeisterung für die Dressur echt war, aber Christian nur genervt, wenn es um das NL geht.

Storytechnisch verstehe ich es aber auch nicht. Das es unlogisch ist sowas Olli vorzuwerfen nachdem er immer alles andere als Ich-Bezogen war und Christian eben schon sehr viel, müsste einem doch auffallen, wenn man solche Dinge schreibt?
Ich bezweifle manchmal eher wo Olli auf Christians Liste steht. Ob Gregor und neuerdings Elias da nicht über ihm stehen. Wie so oft also: Umgekehrt bzw. Rollen vertauscht fände ich alles soviel sinnvoller.

Ganz ehrlich, ich bin hier vermutlich absolut in der Minderheit, aber ich finde dein Gejammer echt schlimm. Dein Freund Olli hat dich nach einem wirklich bescheidenen Tag vor Rob aus der Schusslinie genommen und verteiligt und Du jammerst hier über ihn rum. Armer Olli

Du solltest überlegen, ob und wie du ihn unterstützen kannst, auch ohne Gestütsparty. Dein ironisches “Wie war dein Tag SCHATZ” auf dem Sofa war echt mies. Du solltest einmal dich selbst hinten anstellen können und auf ihn zugehen. Sonst machst du es Robert echt leicht.

Chrollibert ist total toll

Ich vertrete mit Sicherheit die totale Minderheitsmeinung hier (was mich nicht stört), aber ich finde dein Gejammer im Blog einfach nur schlimm. Dein Freund, der während deines Outings hinter dir stand, der sich für deine Boxkarriere verleugnen ließ, der dir eine Alibifreundin gesucht hat, der für dich fast gestorben wäre, der dich vom dopen abgehalten hat, dessen Cousine dich vor dem Knast bewahrt hat und der niemals auch nur einen Hauch von Zweifel an seiner Liebe zu dir gelassen hat, möchte etwas eigenes. Auch wenn die Pferdestallparty nicht geht und du recht mit dem nein hattest, hatte ich nicht das Gefühl, das du ihn ernst nimmst. Wie damals, bei seiner Idee, ins NL einzusteigen, als du ihn am Anfang auch belächelt hast. Dieses mal machst du das auch, nur so ist diese ironische Reaktion auf dem Sofa “Schatz wie war dein Tag” (nach dem Tag!!!) für mich zu verstehen. Das tut fast weh.

Und wenn ich dann bedenke, das dein Olli dich vor Rob aus der Schusslinie genommenn hat (er hat nicht gesagt, Chris tut mir den Gefallen nicht, er hat dich wieder mal verteiligt) und ich höre dann dieses Gejammer von dir hier über ihn, dann kann ich nur sagen: Armer Olli!

Wenn du jetzt nicht vernünftig bist und Olli unterstützt und DU diesesmal auf ihn zugehst, dann gewinnt Robert! Dann hat er leichtes Spiel

Allerdings auch von mir volle Punktzahl für die Chrollibert Geschichte. Sieht man ja schon allein hier an den Kommentaren, das die Story einschlägt wie eine Bombe. Toll gespielt von Jo, Thore und Max!

Verrät mir mal einer warum hier manche so tun als wäre Christian eine reale Person, der man Ratschläge geben kann? Am Ende der Vlogs werden meistens Fragen an die Zukucker gestellt, geschenkt. Aber ich hab das Gefühl so führen die Vlogs dazu dass manche die Soap Story noch ernster nehmen und wieder die Grenzen verschwimmen zwischen der Fiktion Chrolli und der Realität.

Ich denke das alles wieder gut werden wird. Olli wird merken, dass Rob ein..(tdgfa) ein bisschen blöd ist und sich wiedr auf die eigenen bine begeben. Das wird sich alls wieder einrenken.

Hallo Christian,
bei Olli stehst Du bestimmt nicht an letzter Stelle !! Für ihn steht außer Frage, dass er gerade von Dir immer unterstützt wird, egal bei was, und mit ihm alles teilst. Aber eine Party auf dem Gestüt machen zu wollen, war von Olli auch eine blöde Idee. Und dieser ROB denkt über mögliche Gefahren für die Tiere mit Feuer usw. nicht nach, bzw. es ist ihm egal. Du übertreibst überhaupt nicht, und hast total richtig reagiert !! Das gehört auch zu einer Beziehung, dass Du Deinen Partner warnst.
Und auch wenn Olli im Moment etwas schwierig zu ertragen ist, und er sogar das Sofa zum Schlafen vorzieht, so ist es insgesamt eine momentane Phase von ihm, weil er was erreichen möchte, und sehr ehrgeizig ist. Er meint es bestimmt nicht böse oder total egoistisch. Ihr müsst Euch einfach mal richtig aussprechen, habt ihr beiden doch immer getan. Wenn Olli merkt, dass er mit diesem ROB auf Dauer seiner beruflichen Träume nicht gut verwirklichen kann, werdet ihr Euch bestimmt wieder schnell vertragen.

Christain, ich wünsche Euch beiden, dass sich wieder alles zum Guten wendet.
Beste Grüße,
Dominik

PS: Thore, mir fehlen die Worte. Dieser Blog von Dir war wirklich sehr überzeugend gespielt, ich habe richtig mitgefühlt. Und auch riesen Lob an Jo. Die beiden letzten Folgen hatten es echt in sich. Als Zuschauer kann man jeden von Euch aus seiner Sicht gut verstehen. Ich bin schon sehr gespannt, wie es mit Euch weitergeht. Macht weiter so !!

Christian,

Ollie should put you first. There is no doubt he loves you, so explain to him what you feel.

Best wishes.

I’ve been following this beautiful story since almost the beginning, but I’ve never left a comment. This time I felt I had to, because, not only I found great that Christian shared his emotions with us, but I ADORED how Thore portraid all of it! So, thanks to Thore, Jo and everybody who is involved in giving us this amazing “dream” and I hope that we’ll get other vlogs as good as this one. I’ve always sympathized with Christian in the past and today is not different, but when love is in game, especially a special one as yours, guys, I think that every problem can and must be resolved. Thore, congratulations again! See you soon and kisses from Italy!! Ciao ciao

En réponse à Gabrielle et Shenadoa, en ce qui me concerne j’ai déjà mis quelques commentaires dans les blogs précédents mais il est vrai que je ne poste pas beaucoup. Je pense que Jo et Thore lisent nos commentaires sinon cela ne servirait à rien d’avoir fait un Blog. J’espère aussi que d’autres pays de langue ou de culture française comme le Québec, la Belgique, la Suisse… posteront bientôt sur ce blog.

Pauvre Christian je comprends que tu sois malheureux. Olli est tellement plongé dans son rêve qu’il refuse de voir que tu as raison et comme il est un peu naïf il ne voit pas non plus que Rob (pardon Robert) profite peut-être de lui ??? Quoiqu’il en soit il faut un peu de suspens dans la série, ce n’est pas un feuilleton à l’eau de rose ! Et comme votre amour est très fort je suis sûr que vous allez vite vous réconcilier.

A bientôt
Jean-Max de France

Please, please don’t break up!!

Auch von mir zunächst mal großes Kompliment zu Chrollibert. .

Die Story von Chris und Olli ist seit dem Auftauchen von Rob wieder spannend und hoffentlich bleibt uns dieser undurchsichtige Teufel noch eine Weile erhalten. Jo und Thore spielen großartig und Max sowieso. Die Eifersuchtsszenen zwischen Chris und Rob passen, diese Bewunderung und Faszination, die Olli für Rob empfindet, wird von Jo genial gezeigt und die Robs manipulierend Art ist unglaublich. Schön zu sehen auch, das die Chrollis nicht grundsätzlich ein Problem mit Drama haben, sondern wohl doch lediglich mit dieser Rebecca-es-macht-keinen-Sinn-Story!

Zum Blog. Selbstmitleid ist keine sehr schöne Eigenschaft. Und Chris nimmt hier ein Vollbad in Selbstmitleid. Eine Dramaqueen eben! Über die Gestütsparty brauche wir nicht zu reden, die ist völliger Blödsinn. Aber vielleicht sollte Chris mal darüber nachdenken, warum sein Freund so besessen beruflichen Erfolg sucht. Von Beginn an war Olli immer der, der Chris voll unterstützt hat, immer Rückendeckung gegeben hat, weil er Chris unendlich liebt. Daran gibt es keinen Zweifel. Jetzt ist der Punkt, wo sich das ändert und die Frage ist, ob Chris seinen Freund auf die gleiche Weise unterstützen wird oder ob er ihn durch seine Eifersucht, die bei der Entscheidung wohl eine Rolle gespielt hat, Rob, der voll auf Ollis Ehrgeiz setzt, in die Arme treiben wird.

Also beende das Bad im Selbstmitleid, denk nach (Olli tut es gerade nicht) und unterstütz ihn in einem vernünftigen Rahmen. Im Moment geht es nicht um Dich, sondern um Olli!

wenn die autoren schlau sind, haben sie als nächstes eine szene geschrieben, in der sich chris dem auf dem sofa liegenden olli nähert, ihn liebevoll ansieht, sich dann über ihn beugt und schon fast küssen will, zögert und schließlich doch küßt!
sie könnten damit ein zeichen setzen, dass sie erkannt haben, dass chrolli für vl wichtig und nun ‘zurück’ sind. naja!

in dem blog, den du, thore, sehr schön gespielt hast, reagiert chris genau so über, wie olli mit seiner partykönig-geschichte. chris muss endlich mal erkennen, dass er auch mal zurück stehen muss und sein liebster mal die erste geige spielt. so oft schon hat olli das für chris getan.

ich habe es im forum schon geschrieben und wiederhole es hier gern noch einmal:
diese vl-woche war genial. man sieht jo und thore deutlich an, dass ihnen zentnerblöcke vom herzen gefallen sind und nun endlich wieder das zeigen können, wofür wir alle sie doch so sehr lieben und bewundern, nämlich chris und olli zu spielen und ’sein’ zu dürfen.
ich hoffe sehr, dass die zeiten, in denen sie nur noch als staffage für irgendwelche langweiligen sinnlos-stories dienten, endgültig vorbei sind.

danke, jo und thore, dass ihr das wirklich harte jahr 2009 mit uns ‘überstanden’ habt und nicht das handtuch geworfen. ein großes lob an euch beide!!!

@Daniel W: yes, there ist a law in germany prohibiting smoking in public places!

Also erst mal vorweg: CHROLLIBERT ist super!

Mir gefällt die Geschichte und mir gefallen die darin verwickelten Rollen.

Olli, der beruflich weiterkommen will und dabei auch gerne mal aus den Augen verliert was realistisch machbar ist und was nicht. Da ist man gern mal ein bisschen drüber, wenn der Ehrgeiz zugepackt hat.

Chris, der natürlich schmollt, wenn er nicht mehr die Nummer 1 ist. Einen Christian Mann, ohne das Selbstbewusstsein aber eben das zu sein, will ich nicht sehen. Ich mag ja gerade das an ihm. Der Blog war für mich daher einer, wie man ihn von Chris erwarten kann. Er fühlt sich vernachlässigt und er ist enttäuscht, er kann die Pläne nicht nachvollziehen (weil die ja zugegeben auch ziemlich blöde sind. Ne Party im Pferdestall????), er ist eifersüchtig auf Robert, er ist traurig, weil er sich mit Olli gestritten hat…. Klar suhlt er sich im Selbstmitleid, aber so what. Das darf man (n) schon mal machen. (Aby-Maus, du hast ja recht, aber ich könnt ihn knuddeln, wenn er schmollt. )

Dazu noch seine offene Abneigung gegen Robert. Es ist eine wahre Freude diese Szenen zu sehen. Das macht Thore wirklich ausgesprochen toll.

Und dann noch Ropp. Eine richtig klasse Rolle: fies, nicht zu durchschauen, manipulativ, ehrgeizig,… Wirklich sehr interessant und für die Chrolli-Geschichte wie ein Sechser im Lotto.

Wenn man die Geschichte weiter nur um diese 3 Personen strickt, kann es eine gute Geschichte werden. Nervt man weiter mit den Problemchen von Uninteressant-Rebecca geht’s nach hinten los.

Chris, Olli und Robert passen vom Alter und vom dem, wo sie sich gerade im Leben befinden einfach viel eher zusammen, als Christian und Oliver mit einem unreifen Mädchen. Sorry, aber sie soll erst mal erwachsen werden und dafür müssen bestimmt nicht Chrolli als Erziehungsberechtigte herhalten.

Also Ossendorf, die Formel ist ganz einfach: Chrollibert minus Rebecca = gute Story.

LEO

Also mir persönlich ist der Blog auch ein bisschen zu weinerlich.
Natürlich ist party auf dem gestüt schwachsinn aber mal abgesehn davon Olli gleich egoismus vorzuwerfen nur weil er sich beruflich weiterentwickeln will ist dann doch ziemlich übertrieben.

CHRISTIAN IT´S RIGHT AND OLLI IS SO NAIF. MAYBE THE WRITERS NEED THIS FGIHT FOR REBECCA AND CHRISTIAN STORY U KNOW SHE IS INLOVE AND HE… WELL “STR8 PAST”, BY THE WAY THAT SCENE IN THE STABLES… NICE!!
RECUERDEN CHICOS NADA DE PELEAS EL AMOR ES LO IMPORTANTE.
UN ABRAZO.

HELLO CHRISTIAN,(THORE)

WOW!!!!
EVERYBODY WROTE LONG, VERY LONG LETTERS TO YOU THORE! ALL KINDS OF COMMENTS, ALL KINDS OF ADVICES, ALL KINDS OF SUGGESTIONS, ALL KINDS OF OPINIONS.

MY OPINION YOU NEVER KNOW WHO CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOUR TRUST, AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT OLLI, HE LOVES YOU TO DEATH, BUT THAT GUY ROB, CAN MAKE A LOT OF DAMAGE.
NOW, OLLI IS REALLY INNOCENT TRYING TO GET HIS BUSINESS FORWARD WHICH WILL MAKE HIM SUCCEED.
AND YOU, PLEASE, DO NOT LEAVE OLLI ALONE, HE HAS BEEN THERE FOR YOU WHEN YOU NEEDED HIM, NOW IT IS YOUR TURN TO BE JUST RIGHT BY HIS SIDE AND SUPPORT HIM, TRY TO SPEAK TO HIM AND EXPLAIN HIM HOW YOU ARE FEELING, HE WILL UNDERSTAND, NO MATTER WHAT WOULD BE “THE RESULTS OR THE CONSECUENCES.”
IN ONE THING I AM VERY AGREE WITH YOU, WHEN YOU SAID “NO” ABOUT MAKING A PARTY AT THE STABLES, CRAZY ROB’S IDEA.
THANK YOU FOR THIS VLOG!

SEE YOU IN THE BIG APPLE

XXX
LOTS OF LOVE
FROM
SANDY
MIAMI, FL US

I agree with the comments below that Olli seems to be over the top with his reaction to Christian’s no. His drive to be the “party king” of Düsseldorf seems almost fanatical. But there is something to consider.

Working in a bar in Germany is a really hard job. And as owner he is probably working more than 40 hrs a week in an environment of loud music and heavy smoke. (Or is there a law prohibiting smoking in public places now?) Bars are often open until 3 or 4 am or even later In Düsseldorf. Olli seems to get little or no support from Gregor.

All that considered, Olli is probably on the verge of complete physical and nervous exhaustion what with the all-nighters Rob has had him on.

I wanted to punch Olli’ face!!
Off course you don’t need to do this, ahaha…
Thank you again!!
Kisses from Brasil!

Christian,you are not overreacting at all.Truly,Olli has become so ambitious with the progress he’s been making as a party-organizer and that he has been neglecting you lately,I wish he could realize that and the fact that this Call-Me-Rob guy is not as good as he looks!You should tell Olli your feelings about the situation,I’m sure he will understand,as he usually does.Just don’t get stubborn in the end,I think it will make things worse!Don’t worry,Olli’s crazy’bout you!

True love shall prevail!

@Thore:Superb acting and sexy-looking as always!You make Christian’s character so captivating when he speaks up his emotions.We thank God for making (you) such a masterpiece!:D

Θερμές αγκαλιές από την Κύπρο!

I think the boys both are making a point here. Olli wants to get his career going and Christian is right about saying no to the party in the stables. Olli over reacted with what he said to Christian at the WG and sleeping on the couch and Christian should have talked about it some more and not saying no right away. It was of both guys too overreacted! And Olli, everytime you disagree or have a fight you go and sleep on the couch, is a little childish, just talk with your man!

Thore, one big compliment doing the Blog all alone, your disappointment, anger, fear, name all the emotions were so real, that I could feel them in my living room!!! Fantastic job!

Having a party at the stables is ridiculous, way to stand your ground. Olli will calm down, don’t let Rebecca or Rob get between you.

Thore is a such a terrific actor, he just sizzles on screen. The camera just loves him.

A new fan from Canada, sorry I missed Thore and Jo in Whistler but if they’re ever this way again there is no way I’d miss seeing them.

du übertreibst überhaupt nicht christian!
ich finde diesen rob total nervig & olli scheint den auch noch toll zu finden

hoffentlich kriegt ihr das wieder hin!!!
Lg wibs

Zunächst mal ist es klar, das eine solche Party im Gestüt eine Schnapsidee ist. Viel zu gefährlich und unkontrollierbar. Die Argumente von dir Chris sind verständlich und richtig. Nur bezweifle ich, das sie lediglich vernünftig gemeint waren. Ich denke, da war bereits eine ganze Menge Eifersucht hinter dem klaren Nein. Zu sagen, du bist auf Ollis Prioritätenliste an letzte Stelle gerückt, nur weil sich sein Leben nicht mehr nur ausschließlich um dich dreht, ist aber genauso lächerlich. Olli will etwas, er schießt dabei zwar übers Ziel hinaus, aber so wie du immer etwas neben Olli hattest, was Dir wichtig war, hat er jetzt eben auch etwas, was im sehr wichtig ist. Das No Limits. Denk daran, wie es zur Boxerzeit war, wie sehr du beides, Boxen und Olli wolltest und überleg, wie unvernünftig und auch kindisch du damals warst, sogar bereit Dopingpräparate zu nehmen. Weil du es einfach wolltest. Genauso ist es jetzt auch mit Olli und dem NL und seinem beruflichen Ehrgeiz. Akzeptiere, das etwas neben dir in seinem Leben wichtig geworden ist, unterstütz ihn, soweit es dir möglich ist und nimm ihn ernst. So wie er dich damals. Sonst könnte es passieren, das der andere (Rob) das erkennt und genau in diese Lücke springt, um Olli an sich zu reißen. Er hat das wohl längst erkannt. Also sei du jetzt vernünftig, wenn Olli es gerade nicht seien kann und eben auch mal egoistisch ist. Das ist dir ja auch nicht fremd.

Ansonsten. Großartige Chris und Olli Folgen diese Woche. Endlich endlich endlich eine Story, die über die Probleme und pubertären Träume kleiner Adelsmädchen hinausgeht. Eine Story, die nachvollziehbar ist und volle Fahrt aufnimmt. Ein vernünftiger, eifersüchtiger Chris, ein egoistischer, unvernünftiger Olli und ein Bad Boy, der so genial ist, der mit so wenigen Sätzen so viel Unfrieden und Zwietracht schafft, wie ich es mir kaum vorstellen konnte. Klasse ihr drei, Jo, Thore und Max! Ein Jo, der wie entfesselt wirkt und einfach großartig spielt genauso wie Thore und ein Max Engelke, vor dem ich den Hut ziehe. Bitte weiter so.

Mein Lieblingssatz: “Olli ist so ich-bezogen”. LOL!!! Und das von jemandem, der den Egoismus erfunden haben könnte.

Ich kann diesem plakativ weinerlichen blog nicht wirklich viel abgewinnen, ich finde ihn ziemlich einseitig.

Ollis Pferdchen-Party-Pläne sind völlig sinnfrei, aber das man auf der Suche nach neuen Herausfoderungen auch mal egoistisch, verbissen und unvernüftig ist, kann ich mehr als verstehen. Es geht auch mal um was anderes im Leben, als sich nur um die Bedürfnisse von Christian M. zu kümmern.

Mir gefällt Olli auf dem Ego-Trip sehr gut. Macht ihn menschlicher.

Gerade der stets bockige Christian müsste ja eigentlich verstehen, dass man gerne mal “drüber” ist, wenn man sich was in den Kopf gesetzt hat. Ich erinnere mich noch gut an die Box-Zeiten, als Christian wegen jedem Scheiß rumgezickt hat. Ich fand es völlig richtig, dass er Ollis Partyplänen eine Absage erteilt hat, allerdings kann man trotzdem Verständnis aufbringen, auch wenn der Freund gerade mal ein Arsch ist. Das muss man als Partner auch mal (Betonung liegt auf mal!) aushalten können. Olli musste das ja auch oft genug, z. B. als Christian dopen wollte, im Suff Miriam geknutscht hat usw.

Zudem ist Ollis Motivation so überzureagieren doch mehr als ersichtlich.

Rumzuflennnen, weil man mal nicht der Mittelpunkt des Weltgeschehens ist, finde ich ICH-BEZOGEN.

Für mich ist dieser Jammerblog ziemlich überflüssig, auch wenn Thore gut gespielt hat.

Ich verweigere mich jetzt mal dem “Lieber Christian – red doch noch mal mit Olli”, weil ich dieses “Liebe Freunde, wie seht ihr das”-Konzept ziemlich sinnfrei finde. Mit der Ursprungsintention (ein blog für Ollis Ibiza-Freunde) hat das nur noch wenig zu tun. Aber so ist man ja näher am Fäääään, muss sich aber auch nicht wundern, wenn der ein oder andere nicht mehr ganz zwischen Realität und Fiktion unterscheiden kann.

Robert, Rob, Call-Me-Rob, Ropp ist ein grandios geiles Arschloch. Ich liebe ihn! ROB 4-EVER!!!

Chère Gabrielle,

Jo Weil parle français aussi bien que l’italien et l’anglais. Bien que je ne parle pas français, je peux le lire. J’aime beaucoup lire ce que vous pensez de la Chrolli.de chaque semaine.

Thanks for posting! Espérons que plus de gens qui parlent français en fera de même également.

Shenadoa

I really like the vlog today; Thore did an awesome job; but I do feel Christian was exaggerating a bit. Yes, Olli was being inconsiderate and even selfish when he asked Christian for the favour, but I like the fact that he’s finally pursuing his own goals. It was about time!

Rob is bad news but good to have around because that means more drama. I just hope Olli won’t be made to look stupid here. He may want to believe in the good in people but he’s NOT dumb! He’s older than Christian and has been around the world so I don’t think it would be believable for him to be completely oblivious to Rob’s true nature. Hopefully Olli finds out soon and then we could maybe see another side to him. Not a bad one, but perhaps he would be willing to venture out to the grey area of law or something. Now THAT would be an interesting story! (considering Christian’s high morals and all…) Oh well, whatever, as long as we don’t simply see a dumb gullible Olli in need of a rescue by Christian (*puke*).

Anyway, its great the boys have a storyline now, let’s hope it lasts more than two or three weeks alltogether.

Du liegst vollkommen richtig, zur Zeit ist Olli ´ne richtige Dramaqueen.
Lass Dich davon aber nicht abschrecken, irgendwann wird er schon wieder sein hübsches Köpfchen zum Denken benutzen und merken, dass er drüber war.
Kopf hoch (auch wenn Du gerade unglaublich süß daherkommst, wenn Du so geknickt bist)!!

CU

Ne, Christian, du übertreibst nicht, hast völlig Recht! Olli ist gerade ziemlich verblendet und sieht ausser Parties veranstalten und “Ropp” imponieren gar nix mehr, ist wei ein kleines Kind, das unbedingt etwas haben will und bockt, wenn es nicht so funktioniert, wie es will. Es scheint ihm aber trotzdem irgendwas im Leben zu fehlen, wenn er sich gleich so verbissen in die Idee das No Limits zur Party-Location zu machen reinhängt. Wär mal ne Idee darüber nachzudenken und zu reden. Beleidigtes Zurückziehen bringt jetzt wenig und verschlimmert die Situation nur. Leg ihm deine Gefühle genauso offen dar wie hier im Blog. Olli wird dich verstehen und gemeinsam könnt ihr an Lösungen für eure Probleme ( kaum Zeit füreinander, Ollis Karrierepläne, deine Eifersucht) suchen.

Thore, dass war heute einfach brilliant!!!!!! Wow, einfach …… mir fehlen die Worte. Du hast die Gefühlslage von Christian so intensiv, so authentisch rübergebracht, ich hab richtig mitgelitten und dir jedes einzelne Wort, jede Geste und Blick geglaubt. Ich möchte mehr davon sehen!!!!!!

Weiter so und liebe Grüßle
Luna

He Thore, “das Glück der Erde ,liegt auf dem Rücken der Pferde.” Man merkt ,das Reiten ein schöner Sport ist,die Szenen waren gekonnt(Dressurreiten erfordert höchste Konzentration) Auch ich reite sehr gerne….wenn ich Zeit habe,und geniesse dann den Ausritt….wir haben hier im st.gallischen Rheintal wunderbare Gegenden, wo man echt noch ausreiten kann.

Den Blog habst du super rübergebracht, echte Schauspielerei….
Man merkt, das ihr zwei gut harmoniert, und das bringt ihr in den Szenen ein….

Weiter so, und wir geniessen dann die nächsten Folgen…

Grüsse

Eine Tüte Mitleid für den armen vernachlässigten Christian. Mir kommen gleich die Tränen. -augenroll- Was für ein fürchterlich übertriebener Blog. Die Argumente gegen die Party in der Serie waren gut, aber diese Selbstmitleid-Arie nach allem was Olli für Christian getan hat ist grausam.

Dicke Krise im Anmarsch
ohoh… wenn das mal gutgeht.

Hi, Christian. Greetings from China.

OK, let’s make it straight. U and Olli are couple, U love each other so much. Just look at what U’ve been through, the Rob guy can’t make a big wave in your relationship. However, if that Rob tended to rob Olli from you, that ’s tolally another stroy.I just ask the same question that Olli asked us:” Who’s your beloved in your life? What’s the limites which keep you from fighting for him?” I think you’ve knew the key.
At last, DON’T U DEAR TO DOUBT OLLI WOULD LEAVE U! Fight for your dear(PS: in a gentle way, please) I hope that I can see you guys staring at each other and can’t wait to kiss next week. Good luck.

Hey Christian!

Don’t get angry with Olli! He is just trying to be succesfull in his career! You know he loves you very much and that you’re the man of his life.

Maybe he is a little lost… I, like you, don’t trust this Rob guy! I think he manipulates people to have what he wants… He doesn’t care about how happy and how perfect you and Olli are… He is jealous because he knows you and Olli were made from each other!

Be patient with Olli and try to support him. I know that, in situations like you two are living, can be very difficult. But fight for the man you love!

Christian, with this vlog, I’m more sure than ever that you love Olli very much and how important he is for you! I’m very glad with that! Talk with Olli…

Hugs from Brazil,

Cred!

PS.: Jo and Thore, you guys rock!

Der Anfang der Chrolli-Geschichte, als in jeder Folge das Pony auftauchte und genervt hat, war nicht so besonders. Da dachte ich schon, die ganze Geschichte wird Mist.

Aber die drei Folgen in dieser Woche, waren einfach nur grandios!!!

Eine tolle Geschichte mit Tiefgang und angehender Charakterentwicklung, einen miesen fiesen aber sehr interessanten Robert, der der Geschichte richtig gut tut, Jo, Thore und Max in Höchstform… Die drei Folgen waren gut und sinnvoll geschrieben. Es gab richtig schöne Paar-Szenen, auch richtig gute Dialoge. Chris und Olli haben zwar gestritten, aber immerhin haben sie mal wieder geredet. Das ist ja viel wert, wenn man an 2009 denkt…

Man hat darin endlich mal wieder Chrolli erkannt. Und bis auf die wirklich überflüssige Szene zwischen dem Pony und Olli waren die drei Folgen perfekt.

Ein Lob an die Autoren. Ich motze ja viel rum, aber die drei Folgen waren wirklich toll. Seit ner gefühlen Ewigkeit hab ich mal wieder richtig gerne VL gesehen.

Thore, der Blog war einfach nur super super super. Und die Reitszenen im Übrigen auch.

Ich hab Jo und Thore schon lange nicht mehr mit so viel Freude in der Serie spielen sehen. Wer könnte es ihnen verdenken. Als ewiger Pony-Support in behämmerten Geschichten. Sowas kann ja keinen Spaß machen. Zum Glück hab ihr nicht aufgegeben.

Hoffentlich wird eure und unsere Geduld auch weiter belohnt. Wenn man jetzt noch das Pony gänzlich aus der Geschichte rausnimmt, könnte es eine werden, die an 2008 anknüpft und die richtig richtig toll werden kann.

Vielen Dank an euch zwei.

LG Paul

Ganz großes Kompliment, Thore! Ein super gespielter Blogeintrag! Weiter so.

Hey Christian !!

Ich finde nicht das du übertreibst aber das ist eine momentane Phase von Olli weil er was erreichen möchte !! Aber ich denke das diese Phase auch wieder vorbeigeht oder sich wenigstens ein bischen lockert und dann habt ihr auch nicht mehr so viel Streit!!
Aber eins glaube ich nicht ! Das du bei Olli als letzter auf der Liste stehst!

Ich finde es nicht schlimm das du dein Gefühlschaos uns erzählst !! Dafür sind doch Freunde da !!

Naja ich wünsche dir und Olli viel Glück und hoffe das sich das wieder einrenkt !!

Liebe Grüße

hope everything get well soon

Ohh, Chrissi.

Am liebsten würde ich dich ganz fest den Arm nehmen.

Hoffe ihr bekommt das bald wieder in den Griff.

Hab euch beide lieb.

LG

Dirk

I hope you overcome your arguments soon and make up, it’s sad seeing them apart specially considering they love each other very much.

I don’t see Olli being selfish as the main problem here. It’s rather his childish behaviour when he does not get what he wants. Christian gave him a lot of good reasons why he cannot put a word in for him, but Olli did not think for a second he might actually be right and it was straight to guilt-tripping, not being supportive, etc. He does that a lot and it’s not nice.

These latest episodes of VL have been awesome. Good writing. Thank you!
I like this Robert storyline. I just hope he doesn’t ruin Chrolli-relationship and Christian and Olli will be happy again because ultimately that’s the only thing that matters.

This vlog was so great too! Nice to see Christian alone talking about his own feelings for a change. Superb acting Thore!

OOOhhh Poor Christian !!!
C’est vraiment dommage pour vous deux ! Des problèmes dans les couples ça arive toujours, surtout quand il y a quelqu’un qui essaye de s’immiscer entre eux !
“Rob” Idon’t love ou at all ! I hate you ! You try to destroy the most beautiful couple in the world ! Ce n’est pas bien de ta part ! Ca se trouve y en a plain qui ressemble à Olli dans ton monde égoiste où pour avoir quelque chose il faut en détruire d’autre ! Alors, j’ai un petit conseil pour toi : REPARs D’OU TU VIENS !
Raalalalala !Robert Machintruc est en train de détruire quelque chose que Christian et Olli ont mis du temps à avoir et à surtout en profiter ! Je ne le laisserais pas faire ça ! Pas à notre si beau couple !

J’espère que des personnes qui passent sur le blog parlent français ! Ou même l’un de vous deux, ou de votre entourage, parce que sinon, c’est comme si je parlais dans le vide mais c’est pas grave ! Je vous aime tous les deux et c’est tout ce qui compte !

J’espère qu’entre vous tout iras mieux bientôt !

Bise
Gabrielle
From France

Lieber Thore Schölermann,

meinen ganzen Respekt für diesen Monolog ! Das hast Du großartig rübergebracht. Sehr gut geschauspielert. Und btw. die Pferdedressur – Leistung vom Anfang der Woche in der VL war ebenfalls ganz großartig von Dir geritten. Applausapplaus

PS
Ich sah diesen Rob wohl bis jetzt nur ein Mal, und, er war mir auch gleich unsympatisch ! Daher, Chris, kann ich dich voll und ganz verstehen

Oh Mensch Chrissi !!! Ein bißchen viel Selbstmitleid,oder ???
Um Beruflich vorwärts zu kommen,muß man schon mal Prioritäten setzen,was aber nicht heißt,dass Olli dich auf einmal nicht mehr liebt. Du kennst ihn doch,wenn er sich was in den Kopf setzt….und soo schlimm war es doch auch nicht,dass Olli im STROH eingeschlafen ist…;-)
Denk an die Zeit,als er dich unterstützt hat,deine Boxkarriere gefördert hat und als du nicht mehr boxen konntest,hat er mit dir nach Lösungen gesucht,dich unterstützt,wann immer und wie immer,er konnte. Nun ist es an dir!!!
Natürlich geht es nicht,dass eine Megaparty auf dem Gestüt stattfindet,keine Frage!!!
Natürlich ist “Ropp” ein äußerst unsympathischer Mensch!!! Aber ich denke,einen auf beleidigt zu machen,ist der falsche Weg,damit treibst du Olli in seine Arme.
Wie heißt es so schön: Kannst du deine Feinde nicht bekämpfen,umarme sie!!!
Also,sei nett zu “Ropp”,damit wird er die größeren Probleme haben kämpf!Kämpf mit intelligenten Waffen und zieh dich nicht zurück!!!

—————–
Thore, sehr schön,wie du ganz allein diesen Blog füllst. Sehr schön,wie du die Traurigkeit rüberbringst, die Eifersucht und auch Resignation. Toll gemacht
Ich finds super,dass endlich mal wieder Bewegung in Vl kommt und das es (hoffentlich) die von uns langersehnte Chrollistory gibt,die länger als ein paar Tage andauert!!!

Liebe Grüße

Nein, du übertreibst nicht und pass richtig auf, ich vertraue diesem Rob nicht. Ich hasse ihn auch ! Mach’s gut !

I think that Christian once had unconditional support in his dream of success as a boxer, and maybe he should lend some unconditional support to Olli’s dream now in return. It seems like the right thing to do. As for not trusting Rob, if Olli’s not going to listen to you, Christian, then you should stick close by and keep an eye out. Olli is rather star-struck by this fellow. May as well keep tabs on your boyfriend, be there to help him stay out of trouble. As for being in last place in Olli’s life — ha! I doubt it. I’m pretty sure you’re still the most important person in his world. He’s just a little distracted is all.

Christian, I feel your pain! If I could come and sit with you and have a cry together, I would! I know what it’s like to have a fight with the person you love. Ollie loves you so much with all his heart! Right now, he is caught up into making NoLimits a grand success. And too often neglecting your partner by running after success is what ruins beautiful relationships.

But please, no matter what, try to support Ollie. He need you! It’s the small things that mean a lot and make a big difference in a loving relationship.

Btw Thore, you are an incredible actor! In my opinion, your best performance was that hospital scene where you cried by Ollie’s bedside. ….I cried with you! Every time I revisit that scene, tears flow!

Thanks!

Christian…I am in agreement with you 100%. You are NOT over reacting. Olli is presently drunk with ambition and unable to think rationally. He is so use to you alway supporting him that this one time you say ‘NO’ he has a meltdown and even accuses you of not having his back. This was uncalled for and selfish. I know it must have hurt when he accused you of not being supportive, but don’t back down and keep your ground.

Robert is as slick as an oil spill and Olli is falling for his game like a baby out of water. The fact that Olli doesn’t think twice about having some dance party at the stables in which prized horses are kept and your recent employment…shows his blind ambition and Robert’s influence over him. You must take him aside and have a rational talk. Try to get Olli to see the big picture. At the moment he can’t see any further than what’s in front of his nose, it’s all about being the ‘hottest’ site in town with Robert leading the way. This Robert guy is not to be trusted. He has quickly taken over Olli’s mind and this must be addressed immediately.

Here’s hoping that things get resolved. And don’t wait to have that talk. Make this the last night Olli sleeps on the couch. It’s not good for the heart or mind to go to bed angry and separated.

I have to say what excellent acting by Thore in today’s Vlog. Totally convincing in every way. To be able to pull off such believability with just some lighting, one camera and yourself is no easy task. Thore…we all know you are one heck of an actor but today’s Vlog just re-enforced this fact. In three minutes you’ve shown me some of the most natural and fluent acting I’ve seen in a while.

I am so pleased that we finally have an unfolding storyline for Ollian. The wait has been immensely long, but wow for what I am seeing on screen. The acting by Thore and Jo has been mesmerizing this past week. I’m glued to the screen and wished I was getting Ollian for the full VL episodes, but that’s just me being greedy. And even the actor who plays Robert is terrific. I’m loving every second of this.

Thank you Thore for taking the time to do an outstanding Vlog today.

Kudos to the writers for the story line!

Kudos to the director for the roll-in-the-hay scene choreography!

Kudos to Jo and Thore for their performance of the fighting scenes!

Kudos to Thore for this vlog episode and his superb acting!

CHROLLI IS BACK!

Liebe Christian, I thought about your dilemma and I have a suggestion. Perhaps you and Olli can sit down and talk about your objection to the use of the stables, and how hurt you felt when Olli would consider it without first asking you. Olli will understand if you can talk about it when you are both calm and not yelling. Olli is anxious because of Rob, so don’t bring up the man, just explain about the stables. When Olli understands the reasons why the stables are not suitable, I am sure he is willing to consider other venues, such as the Castle itself, or perhaps another farm. Ask Stella for help if you can. I am sure they will welcome the revenue from a big party. Of course, they will arrange the security, and everything else so it will give Olli some time off from organizing everything by himself. Rebecca was a big help the last time, so she can be very helpful, too. If Gregor is not too busy, you may want to remind him that he is part owner, and your brother. Once the pressure is off, and Olli sees how supportive you are, just like your were in the last party, he will come around and appreciate you for the gem that you are.

Most of all, Christian, you are not alone in this, and Olli is only momentary misled by that awful man. Please let Olli know that you still love him, and it is not him that you reject, only the idea of using the stables for a techno party. Best wishes to you and Olli. Big hugs.

Christian,

I hope you can be patient with Olli. Remember how patient he was with you when he hid your relationship while you were boxing and how he quietly took verbal abuse from your boxing promoter Wolle. Also remember that you had a chance to open up to Olli about your concerns about your heart troubles and your future career, but you mostly kept that from him. If you want Olli to be more mindful of you and your needs you have to be fully open with him yourself.

Maybe Olli is being a little neglectful here but remember there was a time when he put your needs first all the time because it’s what made you happy, and maybe he needs some of that kind of patience and understanding from you too. Rob may not be trustworthy but remember Olli only has eyes for you. Good luck and I hope you two works things out so we have a happy Chrolli vlogging together for us next week.

P.S. Great job to Thore, his acting in this vid is excellent.

- J

*nods knowingly*

All I gotta say, dear Christian, hang on to Olli. Tell him to do the same thing for you as well.

Wish you the best of luck.

What a melancholy blog, Christian. Hopefully, Olli will see it, and see past the anger in your post. And your jealousy.

Hopefully, the two of you can set some ground rules about not mixing your professional lives together. Don’t bring your horses to NoLimits, and he shouldn’t bring NoLimits to your horses.

Best of luck. Talk to Olli. Seems like you both have some apologizing to do.

I love this storyline, but this video actually made me a little sad! Awesome acting!!
LOL “Call me Rob!”

Christian looking very sexy as usual.

love you guys x

Christian hat vielleicht mal Recht, aber ich finde es trotzdem übertrieben in Selbstmitleid zu triefen. Was Job-Egoismus angeht habe ich wohl die ganze Zeit ne andere Serie gesehen – Studium, boxen, Pferde – (von den privaten Dramen mal abgesehen) Die Welt dreht sich um Christian, tut sie das einmal nicht geht sie unter? Ich seh das auch nicht so heftig in den Folgen, dass er vom Nr.1 Thron gestoßen wurde. Nur weil Olli mal 5 Minuten auch was anderes wichtig ist und er auch mal überreagiert? Bin also eher der Meinung, Christian hat seine eigene bittere Medizin mal verdient

Christian, we have a saying in Spanish, “Caras vemos, corazones no sabemos.” We see the face, we do not know of the heart. If you feel in your heart that this Rob guy is trouble, there may be something there worth looking into. I agree with some of the posters that it may be a bit too soon for jealousy, but I disagree that you should just take it time and again from Olli. He has had his way every time, you need to stand your ground, let yourself be heard and send this Rob guy running for the hills.

Christian, I think you’re exaggerating just a bit…lol.

Olli should have asked you about using the stables without Rob being around but I think he was just excited and didn’t think it through enough.

Of course he needs to understand things from your point of view as well, but you need to do the same for him. But I do think you instincts about”Rob”are correct
and you need to be wary of him and watch out for Olli as he’s too trusting.

It’s only natural that Olli wants to make a success of No Limits and lets
face it he doesn’t get a lot of help from Gregor so all the burden falls on him.
And of course this is a way to make more income for No Limits and to pay
off the debt he owes Charlie.

Olli has been very caring and supportive all through your coming out, the boxing
and heart problems, just remember he’s always been there for you.

Right now I think it’s a case of Olli over reacting and you feeling
jealous because you’re not the center of his attention, but deep
down you know how much he loves you. You just need to talk to each other.

bitte werft rob nich raus!! noch mal n halbes jahr friede freude eierkuchen hält doch kein mensch aus ^^

My dear Christian,

I am sad that you are having a fight with Olli. However, I am happy that you were able to share your feelings to us. I know where you are coming from, arguments, disagreement, jealousy are part of a healthy relationship. Although, if these become way too much the boundaries then it bcomes an unhealthy relationship. For me, it’s all a matter of communication and trusting one another. Just like how you express to us, I believe it is imperative you also let Olli know your true feelings. I honestly believe that Olli loves you and never will disown you. What matter most, it always takes two to make it right. You both have been through worst than this circumstance. I know you both will manage to patch things up. I have so much faith in you two. Again, just keep the communication open and remain trusting each other. Olli loves you very much and I know you love Olli more than he loves you. Am I right!

I will be looking forward for a make-up sex …i know it’s coming…

Take care each other. I love you both.

Hugs and Kisses from San Diego, California – Ikah♥

P.S. Don’t stress too much. We want you to have fun in New York this coming March. YIPPPEEEEE!!!!

I just had to watch this vlog again, and I cannot overstate just how impressive you were today Thore. The last time we had a blog with this level of emotion was the one with Olli ruminating on Gregor’s coma. You – and Jo – are so talented and always such a delight to watch. I really hope that this storyline gives you even more opportunities to explore the character Christian’s inner life, and emotional turmoil. I hope it also gives Christian the opportunity to use his boxing skills once more.. . preferably on Rob’s face. But back to the matter at hand, you’re really shining in these latest episodes, first with the dressage and now with the stress and dramatic scenes with Jo. I’ve always felt you two have been underused and it’s an absolute pleasure to see you enjoying your craft as you are in these episodes and these vlogs. And it’s great to see that they brought in an actor of Max Engelke’s calibre for you to play off of. It’s just AWESOME! Here’s hoping that the writers continue that well into the future.

Christian,

I can understand the situation that you find yourself in. You want to be supportive of Olli and his success, but you feel that while reaching for the stars he might forget that you’re still at home waiting for him. It’s hard to play second fiddle to the loved ones in your life, but remember, Olli was in the same position you are in when you had your boxing career and he had to play second fiddle to your image of not being seen as a “gay boxer.”

All I can say – and you’ve said it before – is: ‘communication, communication, communication.’ Let Olli know what this is doing to you, how you want to be number 1 in his life and shouldn’t have to play second fiddle to his success. Let his success be your success, but let him know where you stand and that you love him and that he needs to remember you, back at home base while he’s floating with his head up in the stars.

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P.S. I can’t wait to meet you two in NYC!

Hey Christian, you’re right, Olli have more importance to the business to you, but don’t

care, he back to you in any moment. I hope in you back soon

Grettings n_n!!

Thank you for this special insight to Christian’s feelings. This is not the first time Olli has been caught up with No Limits at your expense. Even so, I have faith that ultimately all will be well with Chrolli.

From the very first episode of your storyline together Olli’s fundamental character traits have never varied. He can and does get distracted sometimes…and gets caught up in his plans or ambitions. But one thing never wavers. That is Olli’s unconditional love for you, Christian.

It physically pains him when things are not right between you two. Olli will snap out of his mania for planning parties at No Limits and elsewhere with Rob. I think this is just an instance of him being careless of your feelings without being aware of it.

Believe us Christian. Olli breathes you air. He is incapable of hurting you intentionally. Nobody loves like Olli loves…unless that were you.

See you in New York in March!

To Christian :

well, if we want to talk about life list, of course u should be number one on the list. well, i used to do that when i had a crush to somebody.
I just hope Ollie still not forget how hard to win your heart in the first place.

Dear Christian,
I love Olli and you both, you’re a great couple going through a little bit of a hiccup at the moment…Olli is just trying to get No limits to became a party spot, and you have been very supportive of him while trying to get your own career off the ground, great job with Elias by the way, very impressive. I totally agree with you, Olli is putting you last and he shouldn’t do this, especially for this ‘call me rob’ character, he is arrogant and smug and Olli, gotta love him, well Olli is being a little dense right now cause he thinks rob can help him. I know Olli loves you and anyone can tell just by looking at you how much you love Olli….don’t worry Please. I hate seeing you sad, it truly breaks my heart..

Yes, I know Christian is just a character in a story, but it’s still sad…and Thore you really are a magnificent actor, so are you Jo….writers, good job, but I am not liking this Rob character.

hey.
na? wie geht’s? ich hoffe gut. mir geht es gut! was macht ihr so? ich gucke gerade fernsehen! ich woLLte euch eig nur kurz sagen,dass christian nicht übertreibt &nd recht hat. aLso: christian übertreibt nicht &nd hat recht. gruß,mb.

Hallo Christian, hallo Thore,

also die Szene mit Dir auf dem Pferd bei der Dressurprüfung – alle Achtung. Du bist ein Multitalent, ein toller Schauspieler, Sänger, Entertainer, Boxer und jetzt auch Dressurreiter.
Und Dein Outfit – wie würde Olli sagen – total toll. Ich kann schon verstehen, warum man Dich zu einem der schönsten Männer der Welt gewählt hat.

Habe lange keinen Kommentar abgegeben, aber immer VL und Eure Blogs geschaut. Die Folge am 28.1. war mal wieder echt Chrolli. So lieben wir Euch. Natürlich auch wie gestern wieder mal mit ein wenig Streit. Wie heißt es so treffend, Gewitter reinigen die Luft. Wird schon wieder. Denk dran, als Du für Deine Sache damals auch alles gefordert hast. Gesteh es auch Olli zu. Und dieser Rob, na ja der kann Dir in keinster Weise das Wasser reichen.

Der heutige Blog, den Du gezwungenermaßen alleine gestalten mußtest, hast Du einfach spitze gemacht. Ein Kompliment an Thore. Du bist ein wunderbarer Schauspieler. Es ging mir schon sehr nahe, wie gefühlvoll Du den Christian im Blog rüberbringst.

Danke an Thore und Jo, für Eure Mühe und Arbeit, die Ihr Euch für uns macht. Ich finde Euch beide einfach total toll, und wünsche Euch und uns noch wirklich wunderschöne Geschichten in VL mit Euch beiden. Geschichten in denen wir mit Euch lachen, mit Euch traurig sein, mit Euch weinen können. Geschichten, die uns in jeder Hinsicht berühren.
Halt solange ntürlich, wie Ihr Christian und Olli spielen wollt.

Danke, Danke, Danke alles Liebe von Klaus…

PS. By the way, L-l-l-l-l-o-o-o-o-ve the longer hair!! Always thought you’d look absolutely gorgeous with even longer hair!!

But that’s just my opinion.

Thore, I really have to say you are an AMAZING actor!! Please, when you’re in New York in March, make sure you leave your Portfolio with many, many agents, studios, whatever. You truly have a gift (well you both do…but because you are doing your vlog today solo, I refer to you)! You need to keep going with it!

Look at all the people in the entire world that both you and Jo have touched so deeply with your sensitive portrayal of “Chrolli” in such a short amount of time…I know there are great, great things ahead for you both!

Now, for my comments regarding yesterday’s episode…I think Rob is an ass from the word go (although the gentleman that plays him does an outstanding job). I don’t believe for a moment that he has Olli’s best interests at heart and I think Christian’s character needs to put a stop to it once and for all. So what if Olli doesn’t become the “party king” of Dusseldorf! He will succeed in some other way. I’ll bet Rob has a criminal history as well and the longer Olli stays involved with him, the more trouble he will find himself in in the end.

Just please, don’t try and find comfort in Rebecca’s arms. The fans will go seriously ballistic!!

Thore great acting.I like this story with Rob.He is so jealous of Christian & Olli and he wants to come between them and he knows exactly how to start.Christian said no to a party at the stud farm and is already getting sick of seeing Rob everytime with Olli.This is so important to Olli and he just can’t say no to Rob.It is a soap so I’m really interested in how this plays out.I”m happy Jo & Thore are having a good story,the one with Rebecca wasn’t so good.Love seeing Chrolli in the hay and having fun and kissing and almost taking a shower together.those scenes are what I love about the europe.So open minded and you have two great actors who just light up the screen.Love the way Christian & Olli look at each other-Jo & Thore-no one does it better.

You know what Christian, I dont trust that Rob guy. He is gonna ruin Olli in some way. I know you dont feel like but. He will hopefully realise before its to late. He will fall with a big bump

Hey, Christian — just another thought. Maybe you can see this “stable” party as a way of getting to work with your lover in a place you love. Let him have his party, but make him work for it. How about making him pay with a day helping you with the horses? That way he’ll learn about why this place is so special for you, why you don’t just want it to be a back-drop for a party.

Otherwise, Rob will just use this to divide you and Olli. I love him — He’s quite a character — but he’s darned manipulative.

To be blunt, dear Christian, I think you are being played. He’s trying to get you angry; it’s part of whatever scheme he’s got in his head. I’ve seen him do it before.

Has he started calling you Chris yet? Isn’t it annoying how he clips all names? So American! And I’m an American, I should know. He’s like a walking American neo-liberal sterotype, complete with a “busines first” attitude and “You can do anything you want” ethos that doesn’t mind running over people’s feelings to get what it wants.

Really, Rob is kind of funny. Christian — next time he calls you Chris, laugh. And — Call him Robby. He hates that.

Warmly,

Kes

V.L. The writing has ROCKED lately! Keep up the good work. And keep Rob on board! He’s great.

I am going to write to Christian as if he were a friend. I know he is a character, but it is fun to play a part! Moderator: If something in my comment is a problem, please feel free to take it out/edit. Thanks!

Dear Christian,

I am glad you trusted us enough to Vlog us with your feelings. We’ve never met, but I feel like I know you, and my sense is that you are not a guy who talks about his feelings often. Please know that we in Ibiza love you just like we love Olli, and we count you as a dear friend, indeed, as a family member.

I’ve known Olli for a long time, and I’ve never seen him in love with anyone the way he loves you. It was obvious from the moment he told us about you that you were the love of his life. And you know, our dear Olli didn’t flirt once (well – you know Olli – didn’t flirt much) when he was in Ibiza. In fact, I think he was a little sad. I think he stayed so long with us because he knew he loved you, and he knew he had to say goodbye to his partying days.

In other words, he changed his way of life because he loves you, and he grew up.
However, Olli is a dreamer. I know he hasn’t been there for you, but maybe you should take some time to find out why this is so important to him. Ask him about his childhood. Ask him about how difficult things were for him and his cousin Olivia. He did not have an easy life. His mother, his father — well, those stories are for Olli to tell, not me.

But, being successful is important to him in part because of what he went through as a kid.

And he will never stop wanting to be the man who makes people happy – and the best way Olli knows how to do this is by creating awesome parties. He’s good at it, Christian. He’s a great businessman. I know that you may not like his business –you are not a party-hearty kind of guy – but is why it is work to be in love. You have to fall in love with the dreams you don’t understand. You have to make your lovers’ dreams your own, just as he has to make your dreams his.

As for Rob? I know him. Actually, he’s a friend, of sorts. He’s handsome. He’s another good businessman. He can help make Olli a huge success. However, between you and me, you are probably right not to trust him. He has a way of getting what he wants.

If I know Rob, that thing might be a partnership at NoLimits – Olli’s club. Your brother is married to a princess who needs money, Rob is the king of financing, so – well, don’t let it take you by surprise if Olli comes in one day announcing that Rob is his partner.

Rob will make Olli a success. But he is a bit of a rake, and he enjoys beautiful men. (He enjoys controlling beautiful men, to be blunt. What is it called? Being a dom? Well, as I put it when I talk to him, it’s: “Rob, you are being a boorish, arrogant, schmuck.”

In the end, he’s as screwed up as any of us. But don’t trust him. Come to think of it, I wouldn’t be surprised if he had set his sights on you. He thinks ahead, and, let’s face it, Christian, you definitely are a beautiful man.

(Oh and don’t worry: Olli ain’t leaving you for Rob. I love the darling, but Rob ain’t nothing compared to you. Trust me. Besides, he can’t ride horses. What idiot would leave a gorgeous, intelligent, loyal, kind man who can also ride horses? Olli is not crazy.)

Olli loves YOU. Not a man turned his head in Ibiza – not a one. No, all he thought of was Christian Mann. You are the one Mann “to rule them all.” (I heard you liked Lord of the Rings.)

Stay in touch. Know you have friends in Ibiza.

With much love,

Kes

P.S. Congratulations on your outstanding performance with that horse Elias. Did you know that Olli emailed us to let us know? He did. He is so proud of you. He’s an ass sometimes, but he’s an ass in love.

Christian, es hilft nur eins: miteinander reden!
Ihr seid schon lange genug zusammen und kennt euch bestimmt gut.
Du bist auch von Olli’s Party im “No Limits”, ohne ein Wort Olli zu sagen, abgehauen und eingeschlaffen. Und jetzt beschwerst du dich?
Erinnerst du dich an euren Gespräch am Strand, wegen “privat” und “geschäftlich”?
Ich hoffe, ihr findet schon die Lösung.

LG
Siberina

Mann, mann, hab gerade gesehen, dass Du pinn-ups in Deinem VL-Zimmer hast. In Betrieben ist sowas inzwischen als sexistisxch verboten!!! Bin echt enttäuscht über Dein Frauenbild.

I feel really sorry for you, Christian
But… I don’t know? I just can’t help also feeling happy for Oliver? Maybe I’m kind of split in the middle of this one.

Of course can totaly see it from you point of view! I must absolutly suck, that Oliver arn’t keeping his promises and always talking and hanging out with that “Rob” guy. But sometimes you also get lost in the feeling of excitment when something new and different happens to you? And that is what I think has happened to Oliver?

BUT HE HAS NOT FORGOTTEN ABOUT YOU!!!

I know that he loves you and I’m sure that you two will work this out. You just have to!?

It is just… right now you are pissed and irritated which is totaly normal? But please try to figure this out in a not-breaking-up-kind-of-way!

Love from Denmark!

The video is so touching
Please writers, we dont want these R-persons (Rob+Reb) anymore
You guyz belong together!

I’m totally with you Christian !

dear christian,
i think it’s little early for your jealousy, he is just thinking about develop his business, ı dont think he has got any special feelings for robert, if you look at his eyes deepley , you’ll just see yourself in there… give him some space , some time, he deserve that.
your love is geting bigger and bigger, you going to solve that little problem easily, if you believe your love!
by the way, you are so süss when you are nervous.
guten abend (ı ve decided to learn some german words)
can/izmir/türkei

Was soll man da noch zu sagen???
Christian, wenn du hier wärest, ich würde dich zu allererst mal in den Arm nehmen! Du tust mir so leid und ich kann dich voll und ganz verstehen!
Und eins ist mal ganz klar: DU übertreibst absolut nicht!!

Aber was Olli angeht, da hab ich mich in den letzten Wochen auch so manches Mal gefragt, ob der sich eigentlich wirklich noch für dich interessiert oder dir nur schnell nen oberflächlichen Kuss gibt und dann wieder in seine Welt verschwindet.
Keien Frage, ich gönne Olli, dass er Erfolg hat und haben will mit seinem No Limits – aber seine Prioritätenliste dadurch SO zu verunstalten, das ist nicht fair, nicht richtig und NICHT Olli. Es ist ja nicht ganz abwegig, dass du dich auch freuen würdest, wenn Olli Erfolg hat, aber das geht doch denke ich auch ohne so große Abstriche zu machen, oder?

Und schließlich seid ihr zu zweit, es geht um ZWEI Leben, und eine Beziehung kann nur funktionieren, wenn BEIDE aufeinander zu gehen und miteinander umgehen. Man muss sich auf den Partner verlassen können und ihm gleichzeitig ein Vertrauen geben, dass er sich wohl fühlt. Und das Wichtigste: Keiner von beiden darf sich verstellen müssen! Wenn beide sich so akzeptieren, ja, so MÖGEN und LIEBEN, wie sie sind, dann kann die Beziehung auch gelingen.

Klar, Olli hat einiges einstecken müssen in Eurer Anfangszeit und wie oft hat er für dich einen Schritt zurück gemacht, damit du dann zwei Schritte vorwärts gehen kannst.
Aber wer wäre denn so eigen, sich ewig daran festzuhalten? Ein Geben und Nehmen mit Waagschale ist nicht nur kleinlich, sondern auch peinlich!
Ihr habt beide vieles erreicht und ihr habt Eure Liebe zu einer einzigartigen unbeschreiblichen Verbindung werden lassen, die Welten übergreifen soll.

Und dann kommt da Mister “call me Rob!” – ich musste ja schon Lachen, als ich das gerade gehört hab, denn genau das hab ich damals auch gedacht: Was für ein Schnösel der sich in solchen Ausdrücken übt! Einerseits kann Robert eine wirklich gute Verbindung zur Partyszene sein, sollte man meinen, aber andererseits sieht ja ein Blinder mit Krückstock, dass der “gute Rob” es nicht nur auf Ollis Qualitäten als Partykönig abgesehen hat…! Und da gilt es dann Flanke zu zeigen und Stärke zu beweisen und besonders eines:
an der Liebe festzuhalten!

Genau, das ist mein abschließendes Urteil! Ihr beiden seid das weitaus beste Beispiel für eine Beziehung zwischen zwei Männern, die ihre beiden Leben auf die beste Art gemeinsam bisher gelebt haben, die sich immer beigestanden haben, die jedes Tief durchstanden haben und die so viele Hochs miteinander erleben durften.
Und daher kann ich jede Träne, die du gerade beinahe geweint hättest, nachvollziehen.
Aber genauso gut bin ich davon überzeugt – nach all dem, was ihr beiden schon erlebt habt – dass Olli diese Einsicht auch noch bekommt, wenn auch etwas verspätet.
Sei dir sicher, Olli ist TROTZ seiner manchmal egoistischen und eigenen Art ein Mensch, der seinen Freund in der Not nicht alleine lassen wird,
er wird immer zurück nach Hause kommen!!

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Und nun zu dir Thore:
Was hast du dir dabei eigentlich gedacht?!
So eine verdammt gut gespielte Szene abzuliefern?!
Deine einfühlsame Art war echt gänsehauterregend und hat keine Zweifel daran gelassen, dass du mit Herz und Seele bei der Arbeit bist!
Weiter so, lass uns noch lange Freude an deinem Talent haben!

LG,
pullmoll

Oohh poor Christian!!

Thore did an excelent job!

Kisses from Brazil

Fernanda

Dear Christian,

Of course you’re right but you should try to consider Olli’s reasons as well.
Anyway I hope you guys make up soon, nothing is more important than your love and your relationship

Ach, Chris ich kann dich gut verstehen. Hast schon Recht Olli übertreibt ein Wenig. Es ist schön, dass er ein Ziel hat und auch, dass du ihn gut unterstützt, aber nimmt zuwenig Rücksicht. Aber sei’ nicht sauer, er bekommt das schon noch mit

Und riesen Respekt an dich Thore! Wirklich toller Blog. Bringst das sowas von echt rüber. Man meint, du wärst Christian. Ganz großes Lob. Liebe es, dich ernst zu sehen. Auch wunderbar, dass ihr mal wieder “Zweisamkeit” hattet in der letzten Folge Weiter so und ich freu mich auf nächstes Mal VL.

I think you had better say all these things to Oliver, mister. Or just send him a link to the video so he can hear you say it over and over again.

You aren’t exaggerating what is going on, but you are definitely seeing it through a lens of your dislike for RrobRrobRrob. He’s definitely a jerk, though.

Thore: Kudos to you for a very heartfelt and mature vlog today. THIS…THIS is the reason I fell in love with ChrOlli; the soul, the passion and the love you share with viewers. You allow us the opportunity to be a part of something really special and I appreciate all the hard work you put into bringing Christian to life and making him a truly believable character.

aw Christian…you make me cry in this vlog but i don’t think Olli is selfish he is just really really really care about business about Nolimit about your future just because Gregor doesn’t do anything beside staying with “Princess”
but you guys will make it,won’t you? because i believe True Love will help you get over it and kick that ” SON OF A BITCH ROB” out of Olli’s sight, well i hope out of VL’s sight )
Cheer up!! things will get better tomorrow my Dear Christian
Love You ^^

Christian…..TALK TO OLLI! It’s the thoughts, feelings and hurts that are left unsaid that burden relationships and cause them harm. Say what you mean and mean what you say. You can, in a loving way, talk to Olli about what you’re feeling and express what you need from him.

This is an adult relationship and needs to be treated as such. It takes a lot of love, work and, yes, sometimes…oh who am I kidding….a LOT of times….a willingness to compromise. Not your values, your integrity or your beliefs, but your expectations and the path you take to get to your end goals. Life, or love, for that matter, is never a straight road, there are always bends and sometimes obstacles, but you meet them head on, deal with them and then continue on your way. Your journey with Olli has had it’s share of hardships, but just look at what you’ve gained; the love, support, respect and heart of a very good and loving man. And you know…..he is a good and loving man.

I, for one, would love to have a relationship like the one you and Olli share. It’s a rare gift and should be treated accordingly.

And….I know Gregor is busy with married life…but he is still your brother. And this would be a perfect time to spend some quality time with him and talk about what’s bothering you. Remember….he will always be your big brother and will always be there for you. He’s said as much, so go find him and TALK!

Hugs,
Beth

Hey!
You are right Christian! Rob’s really strange and egoistic and Olli should be cautious. It was really a bad idea to make a party in the stud without any thinking about the horses. Horses are really very sensitive creatures. This idea is without any responsibilty and caring!!!!

@Thore: yup – really well played! Go on!

Ich kann dir in den Bedenken gegen diese Mega-Party nur zustimmen. Bei der Decibellautstärke sollte sowas in keiner Weise in unmittelbarer Nähe von Tieren stattfinden…die armen Viecher.ganz zu schweigen, was sonst noch passieren kann, z.B. eine achtlos weggeworfene Kippe.

Aber mein lieber Christian, soviel Selbstmitleid steht dir jetzt auch nicht zu. Olli ist im Moment egoistisch, stimmt!!!! Aber bitte erinnere dich mal an vergangene Zeiten zurück, als du deinen sportlichen Ehrgeiz ausgelebt hast, sogar Doping in Erwägung gezogen hast! Olli war sehr lange immer nur für dich da, er hat dich immer verstanden. Also, jetzt bist du mal dran…behalte Robert und auch deine beste Freundin im Auge! Gemeinsam werdet ihr das schon schaffen.

Ich möchte mich ganz herzlich für die gestrige Folge bedanken und ich hoffe, dass wir noch viele spannende, mitfühlende, leidenschaftliche Geschichten zu sehen bekommen.

Greetings Chrolli, or rather Christian this time, from The Bahamas!!

WOW!! What a vlog!! I loved how open you were with us Christian, but I think you’re pouring your heart out to the people. Why do you act all cavalier and nonchalant with Olli but pour your heart out to others? It’s the same way you told Gregor, during your boxing days, how you truly felt about Olli but failed to tell Olli. Go get your man, sit him down and make him hear you out; tell him everything you just told us. And if you can’t tell him to his face then show him this vlog!! lol Every second you spend away from Olli is more time for Mr. “Call me Rob” to spend with your man–and that CAN’T happen. You are playing into his hands everytime you argue and retreat to your respective corners.

What I also think is interesting is that you feel you have no one to talk to, when Gregor is supposed to be your brother. You’re always there for him but he’s hardly ever there for you. And I don’t think it’s fair to call Olli selfish when you know he’ll do anything for you. When you were pursuing your boxing career Olli literally went back into the closet to protect your secret. And now that he’s trying to put NoLimits on the map and drive business up you feel neglected. I too don’t like how Rob always seems to be around but you should look at that as even more reason for you to step in and show Rob that he can’t have Olli. You also know how ambitious Olli is and that he sometimes lets his ambitions get the better of him. Again, that’s where you come in to provide the grounding Olli needs when he gets like that. But you have to communicate because I’m sure Rob is communicating with your man as you make this vlog. Something to think about.

Again, great vlog!! Through you Thore we get to see just how sweet and vulnerable Christian really is. Superb job.

Meine christian finde ich nicht gut was olli mit dir macht .

Erstmal finde ich die Story im Moment richtig gut. Das geht endlich mal in die Tiefe und stellt Christian und Olli vor neue Herausforderugen.

Den Blog fand ich auch super. Christians sicht dazu finde ich sehr interessant. Wenn ich jetzt gemein wäre könnte ich sagen, tja jetzt sieht Christian auchmal wie das ist wenn man es mit der Ich-bezogenheit übertreibt.
Aber allgemein denke ich Christian hat schon recht mit vielen seiner Einschätzungen in diesem Blog. Olli steigert sich da in etwas rein, aber Christian ist auch einfach immer zu schnell eifersüchtig.

Ich freu mich schon auf den nächsten Blog und auf die weitere Story .

Ich verstehe Christian voll und ganz und finde nicht, dass er übertreibt. Was Olli die letzten paar Tage aufführt, geht echt nicht. Er wusste genau, wie wichtig die Prüfung für Christian war, deshalb hätte er Rob auch ruhig mal stehen lassen können, und gleich zeigen wo der Hammer hängt. Das No-Limits läuft auch ohne Szene-Parties sicherlich nicht schlecht, und warum Olli konstant “was neues” ausprobieren will, is mir ohnehin schleierhaft – er hat das No-Limits doch “grade erst” übernommen…
Natürlich wär’ so ne “hippe” Partylocation eine große Chance groß rauszukommen, aber dafür seine Beziehung aufs Spiel zu setzen, (und auch Christians Job), geht ja wohl mal gar nicht.
Ich hoffe Olli merkt bald selbst, worin er sich da verheddert und kehrt dem richtigen den Rücken – nämlich Rob.

Du hast recht damit das du sauer auf Olli bist wenn er nich Hören will muss fühlen.

Christian,

Olli is a very trusting soul and I think he has been ‘taken in’ by this Rob person. I reckon Rob is up to no good and I do not think that I would trust him at all, however Olli cannot see that. Earlier on in your story I thought that Olli almost seemed too good and I think that this has been a problem for him now. He takes too much on face value and it is not meant to be cruel to you, it is just the way it is. (As for taking the duvet and the pillow, that’s just an adjusted stress reaction…. don’t worry about it.)

I reckon he is still crazy about you. It is so hard to balance ambition with love for a partner because anyone in a relationship will want to do their best not only for themselves but for the one they love. Ambition may take over for a while, but in the end you will be the one he comes to when he needs something genuine. BUT…. Beware Rob!! I don’t know what it is about him but I reckon he is capable of doing bad things.

(Stepping out of the plotlines for a moment, you guys both look fantastic…. and Jo, I love the new look!!!!)

Finally…. Olli ask Aunt Charlie for advice!!!!

With much love xx

Thore, you totally rock!
I know you had already done an entry by yourself. But this is completely “Wow”. We barely have the chance to know what Christian thinks. And this video is awesome.
Their relationship is not passing through the best moment, but God, this is so refreshing.

Thank you!

Ach Gott
Das ist ja fast schon wieder süß, wie Christian das mitnimmt, wenn er Streit mit Olli hat – oh man :’(
Aber er hat Recht – der hibbelige, aufgedrehte & nervöse Olli ist zwar süß anzuschauen, aber langsam übertreibt er’s mit seiner Ich-bezogenen Denkweise – “MEIN Laden, MEINE Chance, MEIN NoLimits, ICH, ICH, ICH” – das ist doch nicht Olli! Aber mal ehrlich, was ist es bitte für eine bekloppte Idee, bei den Lahnsteins auf dem Gestüt eine Party zu schmeißen ?! Auch da hat Christian Recht – das ist ein Gestüt & keine Party-Location. Die Idee ist hirnrissig & auch nicht wirklich machbar.

Dieser Rob wird mir von mal zu mal unsympathischer. Allein schon dieses “Denglisch” ist schlimm o_O Auch da hat Christian wieder Recht – wie der sich schon gibt: sein obercooles Getue lässt ihn nicht mal halb so cool erscheinen, wie er sich das vielleicht vorstellt. Nichts gegen Max Engelke, der spielt super, so wie ich das schon von früher gewohnt bin, aber das Drehbuch kann man echt in die Tonne kloppen. Ich dachte, mit dieser Rolle wird ernstzunehmende Kokurrent für Christian ins Geschehen involviert, aber für mich ist Robert schon nach 2 Tagen einfach nur noch lächerlich, mit seinem Macho-Gehabe.

Was mich an der Folge vom 28.01 gefreut hat: da waren die beiden wieder! Da waren wieder Chrolli, so wie ich sie kenne! Endlich durften die beiden wieder Christian & Olli sein & das war eine Wohltat, im Gegensatz zu dem 2-Tage-Story-Quatsch von 2009. Am 28. lief die beste Folge seit langem – Jo & Thore in Höchstform !

Jungs, diese Woche war mal wieder grandios gespielt – das steht außer Frage.
Danke, für eure harte Arbeit & dass ihr Chrolli zu dem macht, was so vielen Menschen was bedeutet. Danke, dass ihr 2009 nicht aus Frust das Handtuch über nicht vorhandene Storys geworfen habt – ich hätte das durchaus nachvollziehen können. Danke, dass ihr euch immer so viel Zeit für Fans nehmt & immer eure harte Arbeit aufrecht erhaltet! Alles in einem:
EIN RIEßEN DANKESCHÖN AN EUCH BEIDE, IHR SEIT DIE BESTEN !

Bleibt so wie ihr seit, Jungs!
Ich hab euch lieb,

Mona (:

Liebe Christian. I am sorry to hear all the troubles you and Olli are having. I can understand your frustration with Olli letting Rob run him around, and ignoring you, and now, even intrude into your space in the horse farm. Olli may not be always the sensitive guy, especially when he is under pressure to take noLimits to new markets.

I hope you both find time to spend a good day together, and talk about how you feel. That picnic basket from Frau Lentil is beautiful and I hope you get to use it. And of course, no Rob, no phone, no text messages. Make an appointment between you two and make it happen. You both deserve a little time for yourself. Maybe another visit to the hay.

There must be another space for the techno party. If it is really that important for Olli, maybe you can find a way to help make it happen, but make sure they both understand that you will be in charge and Rob has to obey your rules. It is too easy for the party to get out of hand, and there are so many potential problems. Insurance, fire hazards, safety regulations… Come to think of it, maybe you better leave the party for the people in charge of renting out the castle for public functions. They have more experience dealing with this kind of thing. Maybe Stella can help. Just make sure Rob is not the one in charge.

I agree with you that Rob is not to be trusted. He is just into making money and fame for himself, and using Olli in the process. It is good of you to protect Olli, and I hope he understands that in business, he needs to protect himself. Olli is too good to be dealing with Rob on his own. Just remind him that not everyone is as good as he is. You’ve probably seen more of life’s darker side in prison.

Thore und Jo Danke. You guys are wonderful. I can’t wait to see you on horseback, riding together. Awesome performances!

Poor Christian and really I don’t know what to say
You’re still a priority for Olli and he loves you you know that don’t you.
I’m sure he’s just making business improvement to earn some more mony. So that he can hire more employees and spend more time with you. The money will help to spend good vacations for you too. You have to see it like this.

But at the same time you’re right he shouldn’t have made some pressure on you.
I wish you both well

Bises from France

Sylvain

Of course I understand you! You’re right about almost everything, but please reconcile with Olli, Olli is worth it.

Quick note: forgive my lack of proofreading: I meant to say “grieve.”

I adore this plotline. It is bringing out the best in all of our beloved actors. VL: This is what got me addicted to your soap in the first-place.

Christian: I will leave you a comment later. I feel your pain!

Thore: I was almost in tears watching you. For one, you conveyed Christian’s feeling with such pathos and subtlety. I understood how much you griefe, how much you love Olli, how much you distrust Rob.

And your acting: Thore, this was just stellar acting. I have to admit, as someone a little older than you, I felt “proud.” As we in America would say, “You pushed the envelope.” This perfomance deserves a standing ovation.

Writers: Whoever wrote this. Bravo!!!

Thanks so much for this gift.

I will watch this several times.

Much love,

Kes

oh robert!! look at the stress you’re causing to Chrolli. I guess you guys just don’t have any luck with people who’s names begin with R who are out- consciously or subconsciously – to sabotage your relationship. I don’t know if I agree that olli is “selfish” per se. He wants his cake and he wants to eat it too, and I feel like Olli is remembering the fact that he completely subverted his own needs to help Christian follow his boxing dream. But then again, he’s being a little unrealistic here, and yes, much too much dependent on “Rob’s” approval..GRRR.
Here’s hoping you two make up…soon.
Though..why oh why couldn’t Gregor lend a helping ear? It’s times like this, i really miss judith. …

Thore, this was an excellently and sensitively done vlog today, it’s always nice to see Christian talk about his FEELINGS instead of sulking or whining. Can’t wait to see what next week brings!!

You’re not overreacting, hun, you’re right. Olli needs to stop hanging around Rob, he’s bad news, and he needs to start paying more attention to you. I’m sorry, Christian
I hope you guys make up soon